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video vertigo 
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 01:59 |
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Has anyone noticed that "The Weapon" by Rush and "World Turning" by Fleetwood Mac sounds identical? Listen to both, I don't know which song came first but the 2nd is surely plagarism.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 02:00 |
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video vertigo
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 02:05 |
have you heard both songs? In the beginning intro part I don't know which is which, not til the singing starts.
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video vertigo
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 02:11 |
I looked it up and "World Turning" (1975) was before "The Weapon"(1982) I think sadly one of my favorite bands lacked creativity on the intro to a great song 
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 02:13 |
- World Turning ia a 1975 track by Lindsay Buckingham and Christine Mc Vie from the self titled album.
- Weapon is a 1982 track by Rush from the album Signals and has a lot of similarities with World Turning, but with a New Wave orientation.
There's your answer. If anything could describe Fleetwood Mac is originality during all the stages of their career.
Iván
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 02:32 |
Fleetwood Mac always had good intros- until Stevie Nicks opened her mouth, the songs all had promise.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 02:51 |
 Thyme Traveler wrote:
Fleetwood Mac always had good intros- until Stevie Nicks opened her mouth, the songs all had promise.
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Sorry, but I disagree, Stevie Nicks has an excellent and absolutely unique voice. Listen Sara or Dreams (When she was young), simply amazing.
Iván
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 03:40 |
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I agree with Ivan. I like Stevie's voice quite a lot. I even have her first solo album, the excellent "Bella Donna" - for those moments when I don't feel like thinking too much and need something a bit more mellow. Incidentally, I really like both the songs you mentioned.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 05:26 |
I always thought the intro to 'The Weapon' had a more 'New Order' feel...  I'll have to dig out that Fleetwood Mac song and listen again.
I like Stevie Nick's voice too, although I can take or leave Fleetwood Mac generally. I often choose to 'leave' them.. 
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 05:54 |
When Peter Green left Fletwood mac the result was the same as when Gabriel left Genesis.
Pure pop.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 06:06 |
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Actually, I think Bare Trees maybe a good album (I've yet to hear it), but after that, I agree Pero.
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Thyme Traveler
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 08:04 |
Sorry guys, I disagree with all of you on Fleetwood Mac. Most of their music was boring and unimaginitive as well as lacking in a good melody.
And yes, Stevie Nicks has a distinctive voice- the smell of a skunk which has just sprayed has a distinctive odor. Rosanne Barr has a distinctive look. Unique does not equal "good." Stevie's "I sing like I smoke a carton of cigarettes a day" voice is very annoying, IMHO.
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 17:26 |
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^^^Well every fool is entitled to their say.
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Tony R
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 17:37 |
video vertigo wrote:
Has anyone noticed that "The Weapon" by Rush and "World Turning" by Fleetwood Mac sounds identical? Listen to both, I don't know which song came first but the 2nd is surely plagarism. |
I can see where you are coming from but it's a bit of a stretch of the imagination to say the least.I mean that intro sounds like a million and one blues intros...
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 18:25 |
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Stevie Nicks sounds like a goat with indigestion, but that voice fits their music so well that Mac is just not the same without her. She looked so good back then too...
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Posted: April 18 2006 at 23:51 |
video vertigo wrote:
Has anyone noticed that "The Weapon" by Rush and "World Turning" by Fleetwood Mac sounds identical? Listen to both, I don't know which song came first but the 2nd is surely plagarism. |
Man! i like these kinds of threads!
OH YEAH! you are damn right, man!
why people do not recognize it? that's obvious!
it is not because there are no bass that it is irrelevant! open your ears, folks!
http://www.mp3.com/albums/6047/summary.html
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 00:56 |
akiko wrote:
Stevie Nicks sounds like a goat with indigestion, but that voice fits their music so well that Mac is just not the same without her. She looked so good back then too... |
I had the luck to get a stage pass in August 1980 in Miami after a Fleetwood Mac show (I knew a girl who's father was manager of a big company) and was introduced to Stevie Nicks who was very nice and gentle (Seemed she had smoked some funny something stuff, but not sure).
She was really pretty then but I was 16 and very small (I grew to 1.80 Mts only at the age of 18) and she barely reached my chin, I was around 1,70 Mts then, so she had to be really really little, around 1.50 Mts (5.1 feet)
But she had he prettiest face you can imagine, even after a two hour show where the makeup had suffered.
I always loved her voice, I believe it was perfect for Fleetwood Mac, just like a trademark.
Iván
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 07:56 |
We all know that there were lots of "Fleetwood Mac" bands along the years:
a) The blues Mac: fantastic! Peter Green rules as a blues-rock guitarist;
b) The "searching for direction" Mac: strange band. Danny Kirwan was not a band leader, Dave Walker and Bob Welch weren't good choices for the band. They lost direction, but "Bare Trees" and "Mystery to Me" are interesting albuns;
c) The pop Mac: great band for pop fans. I like Stevie Nick's voice, although sometimes she's a bit annoying;
d) The "we can survive after loosing our top composers (Buckingham & Nicks)" Mac: it's a total waste of time. What in the hell Dave Mason was doing here??
e) The "hey, we're back!" Mac: waiting for the next step - "Say You Will" is weak, because there's a lot of filler on the album (if they had released a 45 minutes CD, it would be better).
Yes, I know this thread was about plagiarism - but it was a chance to discuss Mac!
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 09:38 |
I'm going to have to agree with Tony R's statement about sounding like a million other intros of blues songs. The intros of the two songs in discussion here are 'similar' but I can't honestly say they're 'identical'.
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Posted: April 19 2006 at 09:56 |
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I'm sorry but I just don't see Lifeson, Lee, and Peart getting together after listening to Mac's first release and saying, "Hey I like this riff, lets use it for our new song." I just don't see this happening. You got to give these guys more credit!
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