Offensive signature

Why is it that as soon as you tell someone "no" they start to throw their toys out of the pram?

What exactly are you trying to do when you write statements like:

"I'd also like to add that my participation on these boards will likely be brief; I get treated a lot better and taken more seriously on the Dextroverse"

I,I me,me....

You'd get taken more serously if you grew up....

And what about the Nazi flag? I'm sure that a lot of people will feel offended with absolute right, wghere is the limit? Common sense marks it.

So I can't put up a picture of the flying spaghetti monster? It's mocking religion that denounces science, but it's just a satire. You got a beef with that?

What about political cartoons? I could put up 'The Leftersons' and my fellow Liberals would get pissed but they wouldn't ask me to take it down.

The cartoons abou Mahoma were banned, and I absolutely agree, maybe you would find them funny from your anti religious perspective. I find this drawings repulsive and offensoiive.

All prejudice/racism/sensitivity to religious symbols means to me is that people are unsure of themselves and their own beliefs. That's it. That's all I see. To me, you're showing immaturity to the highest degree by telling somebody else that the way they expressed themselves is wrong.

Open the doors, what if we start using anti gay signatures or anti Latin otuives, what about the KKK sytmbols, etc? Where you put the limit?

I didn't damage property, I didn't kill anyone. When it all comes down to it what was my crime?

Not everything has to be a crime to wrong.

All 4,000 members of this forums avoid using religious symbols (NO OTHER MEMER HAS DONE IT UNTIL YOU CAME) for respect to the other members. Why should you change this?

Iván

We agree in that, it's only semantics.

By the way, the pentragram is not just a Satanic symbol as I'm sure you know too.  Though the one that bothered you did have other markings which indicates that it is Satanic.  I'm agnostic and religious symbols do not bother me -- be they whatever.

That's not a Pentagram Logan, it has a figure of a goat inside and it's called Baphomet ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Pentagram _with_one_point_down_% ).

It's been said, but one shouldn't discriminate against any religion here.  If one is to ban the pentagram, even a Satanic one,  one must also ban the cross and other religious symbols.  I'm uncomfortable with the supression of such freedom of expression.

I do my part, never in more than 4,000 posts I have made any propaganda to my religion except when debating about Religion against Atheism with Sean in an interesting and respectful 10 pages debate.

I won't say anything against something that I don't consider offensive, but I will never post any propaganda to my religion.

BTW: I created two more offensie threads, one about a lurker using despective ter,ms against gay people (I'm not gay) and another one about a guy who made racist comments against any coumtry that is not USA (This guy was later banned as a troll).

As a believer in freedom of speech (though it must have its limits of course), I don't think religious discussion should be taboo either. 

Neither do I, had a very long and absolutely respectful debate with Sean about Relligion vs Atheism in http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6555&a mp;KW=God&PN=0&TPN=11 but it was in the right lounge where anybody who doesn't want to see uit cant avoid it.

If we poke fun at other's belief systems, I see no problem with that either -- a thick-skin and a sense of humour (self-deprecating particularly) helps one have a happy online life, and life in general, I think.  By the way, we often interpret posts and postal intent differently depending on our disposition (biases and attitude).

I don't agree with that, because what I consifder funny can be offensive for other person, this is a multi cultural forum, and it subsists only becausethere's mutual respect.

Iván

DeepPhreeze wrote: I'd also like to add that my participation on these boards will likely be brief; I get treated a lot better and taken more seriously on the Dextroverse.

Oh god I couldn't agree more.  So many of the prog fans on the internet are just off their nuts.  You know, they that people are idiots for liking different types of music, stereotype entire genres (hip-hop namely) based on what they see on MTV, etc.  I have rarely met these pretentious, conceded losers on drug-related forums.  Lol, some 3rd/4th plateau DXM trips can really change you for the better.

I don't even know anything about Satanism, but I, unlike some, didn't automatically dismiss it as evil.  It bothers me that people pick and choose what religions are offensive and what are not.  If it was a cross in your sig no one would have said anything.

The difference uis that I don't use the cross as a symbol in my sig to avoid problems, and even when I'm absolutely moderate, I don't even go to mass except when somebody d9ies, there's a Baptism or a wedding.

Not even the Fundamentalist Christians who were self-banned from here used their beliefs as a religion.

Check what this guy says, he placed the symbol to offend and provoike people, that's wrong per se.

BTW: I studied Theology, so I know what Satanism stands for, maybe thet's why  feel offended.

My point with the cross and Baphomet was that its best to respect ALL beliefs, unless their is something seriously inhumane about them, and as far as I know Satanism (or at least some schools of it) doesn't entail that.

Honestly, from now on I won't worry about this, but I just expressed the reaction of another member who protested twice and my own.

Ivan do you get that worked up about bumper stickers or t-shirts you find offensive?  Do you report people when you see that they have a symbol related to Satanism on their t-shirt? 

This is absurd and you know it, don't try to be a smart a$$, street is free there are no rules, but this is a forum with rules, most of us respect them to make of Prog Archives a pleasent place:

Site rule N° 1 says:

1. No Vulgarity, profanity or bigotry. We ask all members to refrain from using "foul language." Profanity - the deliberate denigration of another person's belief, will not be tolerated. Our membership is global, and thus represents a host of spiritual and religious beliefs. Given this, profanity is tantamount to personal attack (see next entry). Likewise, there is no place in this forum for bigotry (this includes religious bigotry, racism, and sexual discrimination) which are also considered to be personal attacks. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13083& amp; amp; amp;PN=1&FID=3&PR=3

And our Satanist member says his purpose here is:

DeepPhreeze wrote:

We like to shock, annoy, pester, and generally offend those who we feel are 'blind and obedient'.

So it's clear, this is in deliberate denigration of other person's beliefs, HE SAID IT, but that's not all:

Our membership is global, and thus represents a host of spiritual and religious beliefs. Given this, profanity is tantamount to personal attack (see next entry). Likewise, there is no place in this forum for bigotry (this includes religious bigotry, racism, and sexual discrimination) which are also considered to be personal attacks. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13083& amp; amp; amp;PN=1&FID=3&PR=3

And this guy said:

DeepPhreeze wrote: 

Let's not forget that everybody has their own right to their own flag, own activities, and own religious (or in my case anti-religious) beliefs

This goes against rule N° 1 again, so, he's in fault, not those of us who believe this is wrong, b4eing anti religiopus is clearly an attack against religion.

He can be anti anything, but he's not free to offend and denigrate those who don't share his ant religous convictions.

 I don't know what the laws are in Peru (and I swear, I mean NO disrespect towards your country), but here you couldn't get away with reporting someone for that, because of freedom of speech. 

Clearly you know nothing about Perú, our country is permisive, we're allowed to pray and use symbols of religions in schools or public places with absolute freedom unless they offend other's beliefs.

We have worst problems to worry about here, like as I said before our real problem is what most people is going to eat tomorrow.

Without it we wouldn't have the ability to protect our riights... and I can't see why any intelligent forum would be set on restricting that freedom, and why you, if you truly believe in freedom of speech, would go enforcing censorship of harmless symbols on this forum?

But there are also rules here, if somebody comes to: "shock, annoy, pester, and generally offend those who we feel are 'blind and obedient"  he's attempting against the rules of the site, and even says louudl he's here to offend and perster anybody who he feels is wrong.

This is bigotry, sectarism and attack, I didn't made the rules, but I accept them when I joined the forum.

Iván

I'm not the one who had the "coexistence" signature, for your information.

I should had imagined you were incapable of something like that.

I have no idea what "you aren't able to be listened in musical terms" means.  Sorry, I just couldn't interpret your English in this case.  (No offense, I know its not your primary language).

I haven't read any interesting or trascendental contribution from your part to this forum or to Prog Archives.

And BTW: I'm entitled to feel offended by messages against my beliefs, if the Administration and owners agree, well you should accept it and if not, I will have to do the same thing.

I'm merely pointing out how stupid you starting this thread was.  You were so offended by a symbol on the internet that you had to make a thread to report it.  Now THAT'S "as childish as a baby making noise". 

Because this forum is a place where civility and respect almost always is present, but this concepts may be too complex your understanding.

Why should everyone bend over backwards for easily offended persons such as yourself?  Your opinion that it is offensive is irrelevant and represents the minority of this board, based on most of the responses I saw.

You haven't been here enough time, I've read posts asking to ban name of albums because they contain profanities, and I gave my position in disagreement, but never had the "brilliant" idea to choose worst names or lyrics to make mockery of other person's beliefs.

Basically my signature is the same as the Coexistence one, which you complimented, only I used Satanism and Christianity, and suddenly you found it offensive. 

That is a natural contradiction and a silly attempt to attack our beliefs with the excuse of plutrality.

Nobody can love Jesus and Satan at the same time unless he's an idiot, because a person that represents divinity for many and goodness for almost every religion, can't be worshipped with the evil simultaneously. 

Coexistance doesn't say I am Christian, Jewis and Moslem at the same time, it only gives a message using the three religious symbols,

 You are so completely negative about some things I just have to call you on it.  "I don't like this sig, make it gone", "Phil Collins ruined Genesis".

Phil Collins is another issue, this is a musical forum to express musical opinions mainly, not to promote something that will attack personal beliefs of other members.

If somebody doesn't like a band or a musician he's free to do it, but to attackl the basis of ANY religion, is not correct.

You took the bait, hook, line, and sinker when you replied to my signature, showing just how hypocritical you are.

If I ever had problems is because I can't be an hypocrite, if I see something black I say it, the same if it's white, better dedicate to talk about music than to provoke justified reactions of the people.

Iván