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Well, don't expect many collaborators because on my threads How about this new prog? and Symphonic rock overlooked on PA? only a few reacted, very disappointing, even more as you consider that no one from the Symphonic Rock - and the Neo-Prog team reacted, I thought we had something to share ...  . But all those enthousiastic reactions from the other progheads overshadowed that disappointment  !
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Well, don't expect many collaborators because on my threads How about this new prog? and Symphonic rock overlooked on PA? only a few reacted, very disappointing, even more as you consider that no one from the Symphonic Rock - and the Neo-Prog team reacted, I thought we had something to share ...  . But all those enthousiastic reactions from the other progheads overshadowed that disappointment  !

 

I think alot of the collabs (with all due respect) really just listen to what they like and don't really expand their CD collections much (except of course to get the newest Dream Theater or Mars Volta release). Maybe they pick up whatever the new *IN* band is. The bands getting alot of hype from the major labels such as Inside Out, Sensory and Cuneiform. That's it though. No real interest in bands that are not hyped or in the spotlight.

Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo
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The reason I don't post about lesser known Symphonic Prog is because I'm not as fond of Symph style as much as others. If you want a list of obscure Canterbury releases, I can do that!!!

Most of the bands I like aren't well known, nor are they hyped about. I'm sure this isn't the case for all of us, but for me personally, it is.
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^^^

This thread has been recommending all kinds of prog, not just symph genre.

Therefore, you are more than welcome to give us your list of whatever bands you wish with your view on the matter.

I eagerly await your recommendations!

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Ok, I will come up with some suggestions tomorrow and post them here.
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Originally posted by Zac M Zac M wrote:

The reason I don't post about lesser known Symphonic Prog is because I'm not as fond of Symph style as much as others.

Most of the bands I like aren't well known, nor are they hyped about. I'm sure this isn't the case for all of us, but for me personally, it is.

Ditto.

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Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Zac M Zac M wrote:

The reason I don't post about lesser known Symphonic Prog is because I'm not as fond of Symph style as much as others.

Most of the bands I like aren't well known, nor are they hyped about. I'm sure this isn't the case for all of us, but for me personally, it is.

Ditto.

Ditto to the response I gave Zac:

This thread has been recommending all kinds of prog, not just symph genre.

Therefore, you too are more than welcome to give us your list of whatever bands you wish with your view on the matter. I see you are a Neo-Prog specialist. Why don't you give us your rec's and tell us of little known neo bands? I'd love to hear new stuff.



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Does anyone know Menayeri from Puerto Rico? I have heard of their album Futura Historia, but not much more.

Maybe Chambery can elaborate on them?

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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by Zac M Zac M wrote:

The reason I don't post about lesser known Symphonic Prog is because I'm not as fond of Symph style as much as others.

Most of the bands I like aren't well known, nor are they hyped about. I'm sure this isn't the case for all of us, but for me personally, it is.

Ditto.

Ditto to the response I gave Zac:

This thread has been recommending all kinds of prog, not just symph genre.

Therefore, you too are more than welcome to give us your list of whatever bands you wish with your view on the matter. I see you are a Neo-Prog specialist. Why don't you give us your rec's and tell us of little known neo bands? I'd love to hear new stuff.

That's the problem. They say they don't care much for symphonic prog but then give no recommendations on their favorite styles. Give us an example of a relatively new or unknown band in your genre that you like!

Another reason that I think there are not alot of people giving recommendations about new symph prog is because like these collabs, not many like symph anymore. They prefer prog-metal, post rock, RIO or avant garde.



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Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo
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I want to say something I have said in page 5 or 6 of this thread.

I started this thread in order for everyone to give their personal favourite music, bands, artists etc. From Whatever genre, country, and which ever classification you may think of.

I specifically do not want this thread to become a place for people to start bashing each other!

NO, this is the place to pay our hommage to the music we love - nothing else.

There is enough threads for the other things you want to say, but please, keep this thread clean.

I think you should look in the previous page and see that past recommendations were of all kind of genres, bands, creeds, colours, sex etc. PLus you can either discover new things, correct mistakes or add to things not said...whatever you want.

Please, contribute - Neo prog, Symphonic prog, RIO/Avant (I am especially keen on hearing recomm's on this genre), Jazz/fusion, Krautrock, Zeuhl, Prog Metal.

I think most of these genres were already represented here in one form or the other.

Now please let us go back to recommending.

I await Zac's Canterbury rec's and Cygnus X-2 Neo list.

Dalt99, what about you? anything you want to add here ? Whatever you want.

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I haven't recommended anything for a while ... Here's something, inspired by dalt99's signature :


Machine And The Synergetic Nuts - Leap Second Neutral



I'm too lazy to write anything right now, but read my review of it, if you want ...

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=8634




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I wanted to recommend a few prog metal/hard prog bands since I totally skipped these genres with my prior recs. 

  1. Trance of Mine:  Reflections.  I'm very impressed with this Gothic prog metal/hard rock band.  I'm not familiar at all with the Gothic scene and don't really like straight Gothic metal.  This band mixes just the right amount of prog to keep me hooked.  They have a lady singer with a very nice voice.  She creates melodies in counter to the music being played on the instruments which keeps things very interesting.  Her voice is truly another instrument.  These guys really can't be considered metal, though they have a hard metallic edge.  Theres an epic at the end of the album and its a good one.
  2. Novac:  Tales From the Soul.  The lead singer has a great original voice.  File these guys under melodic prog metal.  Very infectious melodies being created by this band.  I'd compare them to vanden Plas.  If you like them then you'll dig this band.
  3. Pantommind:  Shade of Fate.  Atmospheric prog metal for lake of a better word.  They incorporate some cool synths in the background.  The keyboard player is pretty good.  I just love keyboards in my metal and these guys come through.  The singer has a good voice with some decent range.  Very metallic guitars crunch in counterpoint to soft mellow synths.  These guys are very technical too and mix it perfectly with beautiful melodies.  Great band.
  4. Ephemeral Sun:  Broken Door.  Electronic prog metal/hard rock band.  These guys are really good and original.  The electronic aspects aren't overdone and are in a Pink Floydish spacey manner.  The singer is a women again with a wonderful soprano voice.Theres an epic at the end of the album.  Very melodic and dreamy with a lot of keyboards and an atmospheric synth always playing in the background.  Great band on par with Trance of Mine only more progressive.
  5. Green Carnation:  Light of Day Day of Darkness. Gothic Prog Metal.  Awesome single song album.  That's right, one song clocking in at a respectable one hour plus.  This album is a masterpiece in my opinion. Very atmospheric and dark with choirs and dreamy symphonic keyboards playing in counterpoint to metallic guitars.  A male singer with a low pleasant voice sings with a beautiful choir and female vocals too.  No prog metal collection is complete without this album.  It takes repeated listening to get this release.
  6. Indukti:  SUSAR.  Not really metal but more of a hard prog in the Red era King Crimson style.  Though I use the Crimson reference these guys are very very original.  Excellent first release from a band mixing hard semi metallic guitars with great violin and cello playing.  These guys play a complicated prog that always keeps my interest.  Excellent new Polish band staying away from the prevalent neo prog styles so prevalent from Poland.  Another essential release.
  7. Riverside:  Out of Myself.  Excellent Polish Symphonic Prog metal/hard rock band.  The male vocalist sings in a dreamy emotional and very pleasant style mixing various heavier tones in when it suits the music, never sounding harsh.  Great Gilmourish guitar.  Very symphonic keyboards.  I love how emotional the singer and guitar player are.  They really take this band too the next level.  Another essential band from Poland.  Poland has some excellent talent coming through the airwaves.  I only wish radio played music this good. 
  8. Threshold:  Hypothetical, Wounded Land.  Classic prog metal band playing a very melodic style so file under melodic prog metal.  I need keyboards in my metal and Threshold comes through.  The keyboards are very modern sounding but not in a bad way.  They are perfect for this bands style.  The lyrics usually deal with whats going on be it negative or positive in society or certain issues people generally take sides on and I like this because it makes you think.  I'm thinking of other albums here too.  For example the Wounded Land release deals with how people can abuse our Earth with pollution etc.  Great melodies abound with a great metallic guitar tone and lively bass.  Wounded Land was an awesome debut album and I'd start with this and Hypothetical since both are essential in any prog metal collection.
  9. Atomic Rooster:  Death Walks Behind You.  One of the first prog metal bands.  I'd call them proto prog metal/hard rock.  Vincent Crane played an awesome Hammond organ doubling bass duties with the bass petals on the Hammond.  I wish I was old enough back then to see these guys.  They play in a Sabbath style only with keyboards added to the guitar and much more progressive than Sabbath.  Their first two albums are essential.
  10. Anathema:  Judgment.  Atmospheric prog rock.  Though people call them a metal band I just don't hear it.  Very moody and dark music often dealing with topics such as death, suicide, and loss.  The acoustic guitar is used to good effect with a very Floydian feel to the music.  Sometimes I need to feel or get in touch with some of the pain and loss in my life and this band really hits the spot.  I've actually been brought to tears when certain  songs by this band got me in touch with the recent loss of my grandfather.  This music moves me.  Its not real complicated or even progressive in a new groundbreaking sense but these guys definitely have their own sound and I like it.
  11. Andromeda:  Extension of the Wish.  Melodic/technical prog metal.  I guess if I had to compare them to another band it would be Dream Theater yet they definitely aren't a clone at all like so many other prog metal bands, such as Dreamscape, who I happen to like a bit.  The guitar player is pretty awesome and theres a lot of keys played which I love.  These guys play a pretty technical style but never loose touch of the melodies.  This album is definitely an essential purchase in the prog metal genre.
  12. Evergrey:  In Search of Truth, Recreation Day.  Awesome Swedish melodic prog metal.  In Search of Truth is my favorite.  It has a very original mellow keyboard almost always playing in the background in counterpoint to the heavy music.  It sounds so cool.  Englund's voice is very original and not amazing for range or anything but just sounds really good.  You definitely won't get him mixed up with other vocalists because nobody sounds like him.  Essential if your a prog metal head.
  13. Day Six:  Eternal Dignity.  Prog Metal.  Concept album dealing with Egypt.  The music has an Arabic tone to it which is very cool.  Long songs filled with alternating passages and symphonic keyboards.  Some pretty cool sound effects and the guitar sounds pretty awesome.  Great release.
  14. Dead Soul Tribe:  A Murder of Crows.  Prog metal sounding much like Tool.  Slow Sabbath like heavy rhythms with absolutely awesome drumming and the occasional flute.  Buddy Lacky has a very pleasant and relaxing voice which he uses to create some beautiful melodies.  He is another very original vocalist.  A Murder of Crows is a great release.
  15. Fates Warning:  A Pleasant Shade Of Grey.  Masterpiece, masterpiece,masterpiece.  Technical prog metal.  These guys started the prog metal genre along with Queensryche and Dream Theater.  I can't praise this concept album enough.  It's one song broken up into different sections, each section taking a life of its own.  The album goes through different shadings, heavy, soft, of music with a general theme(melody) bookending the album.  Excellent drumming from Mark Zonder.  He is a master with the cymbals using them a lot to great effect.  Matheos doesn't shred like on prior releases( No Exit) but uses his guitar to complement the other instruments.  Kevin Moore, Dream Theater, contributes some great atmospheric keyboards much like Matheos's guitar.  These guys perfectly complement each other.  I can't wait for the next OSI release.  Joey Vera plays some awesome bass using the slap technique at times.   This release takes many spins to sink in.  I couldn't figure out what the big deal was about after the first few spins but, wow, did it take affect soon after.
  16. John Arch:  A Twist of Fate.  John was the original vocalist for Fates Warning putting out three albums with them.  What an awesome voice he has and I'm so glad he's back.  His voice sounds better than ever and this release is awesome featuring two epic songs which make up the very long EP.  This is very much in the Fates Warning/Dream Theater style and rocks very hard.  Excellent guitar, keyboards, and drums with his vocals stealing the show.  ESSENTIAL.
  17. OSI:  Office of Strategic Influence.  Electronic prog metal/hard rock.  Kevin Moore and Jim Mattheos steal the show here.  This is very cool stuff with Moore using many samples and atmospheric keyboards which put me in another world.  This is so much better than Chroma Key, his other project.  It's basically a mix of this and Fates Warning and it works excellently.  The song with Steve Wilson singing is definitely cool.
  18. Opeth:  Damnation.  Progressive Death Metal.  (Damnation is much different from their other releases and I'd file it under progressive rock).  This is a beautiful dark release full of melletron and great clean guitar work.  The drummer warrants special mention  as he keeps things very interesting as the music is pretty mellow and laid back.  This is one of my all time favorite albums and puts me on another world.  Steve Wilson plays some beautiful mellotron and produced the album.  The subject matter is very dark and kinda like fairy tales for lack of a better term.  I feel like I'm in Sweden during a cold dark winters night strolling through the woods full of goblins and demons.  ESSENTIAL!
  19. Pain of Salvation:  Remedy Lane.  Prog metal.  Great band with a very talented vocalist/ guitarist.  He reminds me of Geoff Tate at times but has a much more original voice which takes on many faces.  This is a concept album about a girl who commits suicide.  This is a very deep album.  The music is very involved and complicated yet also very melodic.  These guys are very original and one of the best bands out there.  All band members are experts at their instruments with the vocals standing above all else.  Daniel is one of the best vocalists in metal.  ESSENTIAL!
  20. Shadow Gallery:  Carved In Stone, Tyranny.  Melodic prog metal.  Classic band.  Cliffhanger is a great epic song with an awesome, heavy, metallic  guitar melody.  They sound a little like Dream Theater's more melodic side.  Tyranny is an excellent concept album which is more in the hard prog rock vein.  It's part one of a concept finished with their excellent new release.  Carved in Stone is more in the prog metal vein.  Baker is an excellent vocalist with very good range. ESSENTIAL!
  21. Spiral Architect:  A Sceptics Universe.  Technical metal.  This is one of my favorite genres of metal which I especially like when mixed with melodic prog metal like Dream Theater and my favorite metal band does being Fates Warning.  Well these guys are pretty much straight tech metal and they cook.  Some amazing stuff going on with the bass player.  He is absolutely incredible making the bass sound like a whole different instrument.  Sometimes tech metal can be too technical and unmelodious.  This is not the case here.  Every part is played for a reason and its not a wank fest to any degree.  Each instrument complements the other.  Good stuff.
  22. Zero Hour:  Towers of Avarice.  Technical Metal.  This is my favorite straight tech metal band though with their last release they are more in the mixed tech melodic camp.  Again, excellent bass playing.  These guys are the most melodic straight tech metal band and this is why they are my favorite.  Some absolutely stunning, crushing guitar work and the vocalist is pretty good for this genre.  ESSENTIAL!!!
  23. Time Machine:  Revivescence.  Melodic prog metal.  Great Italian prog metal.  Most of their releases are concept albums.  Just a great all around band.
  24. Superior:  Ultima Ratio.  Melodic prog metal.  Excellent concept album from this German band.  Great melodies and all band members are decent musicians.  Theres some cool sound effects in the Pink Floyd The Wall style.  Good but non essential.
  25. Symphony X:  V The New Mythology Suite.  Neoclassical prog metal.  Masterpiece folks.  Romeo is the best guitar player in this genre without question.  This guy shreds and I put him in a class with the likes of Yngwie and Blackmore.  Another concept album about myths and legends.  Russel Allen is the best vocalist in prog metal in my opinion.  This guy has an amazing, powerful voice.  Keyboards are used extensively and sound excellent.  I love these guys and they are from my beloved state of New Jersey.  ESSENTIAL!!
  26. Dream Theater:  Scenes From A Memory.  Technical/melodic prog metal.  Masterpiece.  Awesome concept album with mellow and heavy parts.  Starts off sounding like Pink Floyd circa Animals(Pigs on the Wing) then all references to Floyd are gone as we have Dream Theater.  This has got to be the all time ultimate prog metal release along with A Pleasant Shade of Grey.  Two very different albums though.  I love the keyboards on this release and the guitar is awesome. Petrucci is up there with Romeo if not a better all around player.  Beautiful melodies abound on this release.  I actually like Labries vocals on this release as other releases leave me kinda cringing at times.  I like Dream Theater a lot but am not a fan boy by any extent.  This is an ESSENTIAL release!!    

I hope someone finds a band they enjoy from my writeup.  I've found many many great bands through this site and all you helpful proggers. 

 

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That's the spirit, Paulieg  !
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I can recommend the following:

Nucleus

For those who like jazz/fusion.  The band contains members of the Canterbury scene, so they're linked into that genre, but they don't play Canterbury music.  They're second release is better than their first in my opinion, check them out on the archives.  Chris Spedding's guitar playing is great and is never over-the-top and the brass section is great too, a very underrated band that needs to be heard.  Allen Holdsworth was guitarist on the "Belladonna" album.

Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase

I'm enjoying this very much at the moment, this a cross between a lot of bands, there's a bit of Genesis, a bit of Van der Graaf Generator, but it's a lot more than this.  Matthew Parmenter is a great musician, lyricist and vocalist.  On this album he plays violin, saxophone and keyboards.  He also has a solo album "Astray", which I have yet to hear, but from what I have been told, it's as good as Unfolded Like Staircase.

Moon Safari

They have only released the one album, but this Swedish symphonic band has something other symphonic bands don't have, they have a very cool sound and harmonised vocals.  They're not a very well known band, but they deserve to be, they're a talented bunch indeed.

Amagrama

This band hails from Argentina and I gather they're all under the age of 20.  Again, they're more of a symphonic band.  They have some great drumming and guitar playing, but the synth playing really shines, this is a great band who have released just the one album so far.  A few of their songs are in Spanish, but this really doesn't deter from the overall feel of the music.  The final track on the album is a cover of another Argentine band "Crucis", so if you're aware of that band and like what you hear, you'll enjoy them.

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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I can recommend the following:

Nucleus

For those who like jazz/fusion.  The band contains members of the Canterbury scene, so they're linked into that genre, but they don't play Canterbury music.  They're second release is better than their first in my opinion, check them out on the archives.  Chris Spedding's guitar playing is great and is never over-the-top and the brass section is great too, a very underrated band that needs to be heard.  Steve Hillage was guitarist for a while as well.



Steve Hillage wasn't in Nucleus.  Holdsworth appeared on Belladonna though.

They are in my top five favorite bands, probably at number two. They're output is all worth checking out, but the first two albums are the most essential. To me, they never created a "bad" album, although Snakeships is a bit sub-par, not bad though, just the least essential.

I think I might be the biggest fan on the site.
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I mean Holdsworth!  My mind was astray there Zac, thank you for correcting me.  I prefer their second album to the first, it's a little more experimental to my ears.
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Thanks, GeckO, Amagrama deserves more attention  !
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Great post Paulieg.  Green Carnation, Andromeda and Spiral Architect especially deserve more attention.
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Ok, instead of making a list (to me lists do not seems very helpful), I will only post about one forgotten gem tonight.



Two Rainbows Daily is a forgotten Canterbury gem, recently reissued if I remember correctly. Alan Gowen and Hugh Hopper collaborate on this beautiful early 80's Canterbury album, full of wonderful keyboards played by the late Gowen (of Gilgamesh and National Health fame) and Hopper on bass of course. This album is much more easy to listen than Hopper's 1984, for example, which I consider to be the early beginnings of RIO, along with Wyatt's The End of an Ear. Definitley worth a listen for all those already initaited with the famed groups these two musicians came from, a very unique and interesting listening experience.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VanderGraafKommandöh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2006 at 21:31
I almost ordered some Gilgamesh the other week, but am waiting for something equally as good!  All will be revealed whenever it arrives.  And it's Canterbury, kind of, I'd say more jazz/fusion.
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