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GPFR 
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 Posted: April 26 2006 at 17:09 |
 DeepPhreeze wrote:
Sorry guys, I'm gonna have to side with Pink Floyd on this one.
Genesis always had more of a 'contemporary' feel to it... and personally I equate 'contemporary' to 'plasticine'.
Genesis was less daring in its music, and always had the theatrical "everybody's watching us" sound. Some of the segments are pure musical cliches that are laughable. Genesis, in my opinion, is not truly 'prog' for the simple reason that their music was all pre-planned for live performances. There was no room for any jam segments. True, the did act out sequences that were pretty spectacular, but the emotion was all stripped away for the simple reason that it scripted.
Pink Floyd was the black sheep of the psychedelic-rock scene.
When Syd Barrett got the band going, he permanently kicked Floyd off in a direction perpendicular to other famous acts of the time. There was a sort of 'crystalline' and 'empty' sound to the early Pink Floyd works that carried over to their later releases. They weren't wrapped up in socio-political virtues like the other bands were, and they weren't pulled into the 'Flower Power' movement. It was as if they had seen that the psychedelic revolution was going nowhere and the society would realize it had been left in the dark once again.
Nursery Cryme and Meddle came out at the same time; Genesis had already established its progressive foundation by then, but was mostly the same sound as their previous album, Tresspass.
Pink Floyd took a huge risk by putting the 23+ minute track Echoes on the B-side of Meddle. All four members of the group got to write the song; it was really a collaboration to test the water before the band fully submerged itself in the spacey, cold, and often desolate sound of DSoTM. Echoes is still cherished as one of Pink Floyd's finest accomplishments; Genesis's works up until Selling England By the Pound are generally disregarded as 'practice'.
Pink Floyd's lyrics are just a lot more profound too. Pink Floyd didn't play to an audience. They played for the sake of the music itself. Floyd almost has a god-like tone; Gilmour once noted in an interview that the only reason the band was onstage at all was because somebody had to be there to play the music.
Pink Floyd, hands down.
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Excuse me... what? Genesis not prog? I voted for Pink Floyd but... what the crap? I just voted for pink floyd coz they were more my style... but in a term of how progressive are they, Genesis wins in a heart beat. Genesis Contemperary? What genesis are you listening too?
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DrWizard
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Posted: April 26 2006 at 16:55 |
At this point PF but the gap has been closing between them for a long time now and I think it might end in a stalemate.
both bands are incredible and have such distinctive sounds. Its hard to compare them rationally.
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dojonane
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Posted: April 13 2006 at 05:19 |
DeepPhreeze wrote:
Sorry guys, I'm gonna have to side with Pink
Floyd on this one.Genesis always had more of a 'contemporary' feel to it...
and personally I equate 'contemporary' to 'plasticine'.Genesis was less
daring in its music, and always had the theatrical "everybody's watching
us" sound. Some of the segments are pure musical cliches that are
laughable. Genesis, in my opinion, is not truly 'prog' for the simple reason
that their music was all pre-planned for live performances. There was no
room for any jam segments. True, the did act out sequences that were
pretty spectacular, but the emotion was all stripped away for the simple
reason that it scripted.Pink Floyd was the black sheep of the psychedelic-
rock scene.When Syd Barrett got the band going, he permanently kicked
Floyd off in a direction perpendicular to other famous acts of the time.
There was a sort of 'crystalline' and 'empty' sound to the early Pink Floyd
works that carried over to their later releases. They weren't wrapped up in
socio-political virtues like the other bands were, and they weren't pulled
into the 'Flower Power' movement. It was as if they had seen that the
psychedelic revolution was going nowhere and the society would realize it
had been left in the dark once again.Nursery Cryme and Meddle came out
at the same time; Genesis had already established its progressive
foundation by then, but was mostly the same sound as their previous
album, Tresspass.Pink Floyd took a huge risk by putting the 23+ minute
track Echoes on the B-side of Meddle. All four members of the group got
to write the song; it was really a collaboration to test the water before the
band fully submerged itself in the spacey, cold, and often desolate sound
of DSoTM. Echoes is still cherished as one of Pink Floyd's finest
accomplishments; Genesis's works up until Selling England By the Pound
are generally disregarded as 'practice'.Pink Floyd's lyrics are just a lot
more profound too. Pink Floyd didn't play to an audience. They played for
the sake of the music itself. Floyd almost has a god-like tone; Gilmour
once noted in an interview that the only reason the band was onstage at
all was because somebody had to be there to play the music.Pink
Floyd, hands down. |
'With the gaurds of magog swarming around, the pied piper takes his
children underground" sounds more contemporary or plastic to you than
'Money, it's a gas...don't tike a slice of my pie'
Perhaps you live in the middle ages where Genesis is closer to pop music
in the keep wherein you dwell? That still doesnt explain how the serfs
would react to 'San Tropez' though.
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 13:55 |
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Sorry guys, I'm gonna have to side with Pink Floyd on this one.
Genesis always had more of a 'contemporary' feel to it... and personally I equate 'contemporary' to 'plasticine'.
Genesis was less daring in its music, and always had the theatrical "everybody's watching us" sound. Some of the segments are pure musical cliches that are laughable. Genesis, in my opinion, is not truly 'prog' for the simple reason that their music was all pre-planned for live performances. There was no room for any jam segments. True, the did act out sequences that were pretty spectacular, but the emotion was all stripped away for the simple reason that it scripted.
Pink Floyd was the black sheep of the psychedelic-rock scene.
When Syd Barrett got the band going, he permanently kicked Floyd off in a direction perpendicular to other famous acts of the time. There was a sort of 'crystalline' and 'empty' sound to the early Pink Floyd works that carried over to their later releases. They weren't wrapped up in socio-political virtues like the other bands were, and they weren't pulled into the 'Flower Power' movement. It was as if they had seen that the psychedelic revolution was going nowhere and the society would realize it had been left in the dark once again.
Nursery Cryme and Meddle came out at the same time; Genesis had already established its progressive foundation by then, but was mostly the same sound as their previous album, Tresspass.
Pink Floyd took a huge risk by putting the 23+ minute track Echoes on the B-side of Meddle. All four members of the group got to write the song; it was really a collaboration to test the water before the band fully submerged itself in the spacey, cold, and often desolate sound of DSoTM. Echoes is still cherished as one of Pink Floyd's finest accomplishments; Genesis's works up until Selling England By the Pound are generally disregarded as 'practice'.
Pink Floyd's lyrics are just a lot more profound too. Pink Floyd didn't play to an audience. They played for the sake of the music itself. Floyd almost has a god-like tone; Gilmour once noted in an interview that the only reason the band was onstage at all was because somebody had to be there to play the music.
Pink Floyd, hands down.
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70sSoundquality
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 13:18 |
silversaw wrote:
There is nothing boring about Genesis and to say that Gabriel's lyrics were never thought provoking, or at least interesting, is insanity, especially when comparing him to such a mediocre songwriter as Waters. |
Mediocre? Huh. I'd really love to hear your extraordinary ideas for an album.
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 05:58 |
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GENESIS! >_<
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PhantomBannana
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 05:16 |
The Floyd have a more monochromatic sound, thick; not a whole lot going on musically. But what they do they do very well, and it hardly ever becomes tiring to me. I think Genesis are (Were? I'm thinking in present tense here...) able to suggest a whole lot more, in terms of musicianship. And Genesis have some great moments recorded. I just feel that Genesis are/were (the days of Floyd and Genesis are long past I suppose) kind of inconsistant. I literally stopped listening to 80's Genesis once I turned ten.
In any case. My vote goes towards Pink Floyd.
First post by the way.
Edited by PhantomBannana
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Pneubauer
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Posted: April 09 2006 at 02:15 |
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WOO! Genesis is probably the greatest prog band of all time but Pink Floyd is winning! Everyone's gone mad! WOO! Im an ANIMAL! Im gonna go rob some old women, consume vast amounts of drugs and alcohol, and then ... vote for Pink Floyd!
No no... I was just kidding about that last part... I'm not crazy... and... plus I already voted for Genesis hours ago.
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 12:32 |
Well, comparing these two great bands is like comparing pineapples and truffles. Pink Floyd has always been one of my favorite bands, but Genesis gets the number one spot for me.
I didn't like Dark Side Of The Moon when it first came out. I thought it was too blusey in comparison to the band's more psychedelic spatial realms of previous albums. Of course in time my opinions and feelings about the album changed in favor of it. Sonically it's a great album, one of the best.
I think my life changed the very first time I heard Watcher Of The Skies. The haunting theatrical piano intro to The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway are prog milestones. I always felt Tony Banks had always been shoved behind Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman. He's up there with them.
Then again, what other band produced a Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford and Steve Hackett?
In the beginning there was Genesis...
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White Queen
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 11:36 |
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No competition on this one.
Pink Floyd
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Mikerinos
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 10:23 |
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Genesis, although it's a tough choice.
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 10:19 |
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^ I agree 100% with poster above.
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silversaw
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 09:27 |
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Okay, I very rarely post here because sometimes it seems I ramble and
get myself in trouble. I just had to get in on this one
however...and yes I voted for genesis, who IMHO eclipsed anything Floyd
recorded...and they did it in 1971 with the release of "Nursery
Cryme." There is nothing boring about Genesis and to say that
Gabriel's lyrics were never thought provoking, or at least interesting,
is insanity, especially when comparing him to such a mediocre
songwriter as Waters. The unfortunate thing about Waters'
material is the constant need to be depressing and dark...and not
really in a good way, but more in a draggy, put me to sleep way!!!
I love Floyd...don't get me wrong, Animals, Meddle, Wish You Were
Here...all classics. The Wall and Dark Side put me to sleep in
minutes simply because of how overplayed they are. Since Genesis
has much more complicated and involved music, it keeps my
interest. While Floyd went terribly downhill after Final Cut,
Genesis, although mainstreaming a bit, still maintained a quality that
was missing from latter day Floyd. Phil Collins may have been a
pop icon in his own world, but for Genesis he STILL wrote some
thought-provoking music well into the final Genesis disc!!! This
is of course all in my opinion...all music is to be loved by
someone...no one is right and no one is wrong!!!!!!!
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 08:39 |
cowbell1 wrote:
Can someone please tell me whats so outstanding about Pink Floyd.
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The songwriting  .
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nobody
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 08:19 |
dojonane wrote:
Hey nobody, ever contemplated founding a new faith based not on merit
or karmic debt or penance or salvation, but instead on passion itself? Why
one believes takes a backseat to how purely they beleive it. In this sense,
we might make strapping priests of this high passion latterday
syncretism.
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No one would join my cult, dojo, because I'm not good looking enough and you know cult leaders always have to sleep with their disciples, whether they're the Maharishi Mahesh "Sexy Sadie" Yogi or Jim "White Nights" Jones.
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 04:43 |
Floyd better than Genesis? Gimme a break!!! The only guy in Floyd with any talent is David Gilmour, and while Waters sometimes wrote a good lyric, he can't play bass at all! So how can anyone believe he also wrote the guitar-solos. Also, remember those out-of-tune vocals during Live 8.
Genesis, on the other hand, was a band where all members had talent. Say what you want about Phil Collins' pop songs, but you cannot deny the fact that he is one of the best drummers of all time. Also, Tony Banks' keyboard parts are way interesting than Rick Wright's.
Don't get me wrong, I love Floyd (especially "Wish you were here"), but they're absolutely not such talented musicians as Genesis
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dojonane
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 04:12 |
Hey nobody, ever contemplated founding a new faith based not on merit
or karmic debt or penance or salvation, but instead on passion itself? Why
one believes takes a backseat to how purely they beleive it. In this sense,
we might make strapping priests of this high passion latterday
syncretism.
Walk a tight rope, Floydy....I love you, but are you acrobatic, are you
bending your mind into the reverse and future directions of time? Floyd
have such an endearing, relaxing, purely powerful sound. Yet their quality
is ultimately so constrained to the 70s. They were (even more then
Zeppelin to me) THE 70s band. Not to say it doesnt come off timeless or
wont be enjoyed for time immemorial (until the Apes rise up and outlaw
the labor-distracting folly of melodies.) They may be infinite, but
infinitely harken to a certain cultural atmosphere.
Genesis, IMO of course, sound like they belong just as
much to the future: 'It', 'Silent Sorrow', 'Waiting Room', (not 'avante garde'
or 'outside' enough for you 'BitchBrew???) as they do to the middle ages
and rennaisance. Floyd are so wonderful, but always come off as a 'rock
band.' But in my heart and in my soul, Genesis are a myth, a symbol, an
adventure. When watching the Musical Box re-enact the Lamb at
Toronto's Massey Hall, I thought to myself, with all the visual madness
interspersed with such clarity and focus with sound yet so mad and
seemingly chaotic, this isnt JUST music. This is a story that tells itself and
comes from nothing and stems into my being.
Genesis Genesis Genesis. Again, I listen to Floyd constantly ('Burning
Bridges' anyone?). Guess I'm just confused as to why the 'classic rock'
contingent is coming out stronger then the 'syphonic progressive'
contingent on this one. But then again, Floyd gets destructive amounts of
Radio Play. Gabey Genesis does not. We just don't have as much of an
audience  Then again, Thin Lizzy gets more love then Univers Zero.
It's like comparing a market square to a hall of mirrors.
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nobody
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Posted: April 08 2006 at 03:20 |
Not much of a contest. I love PF but their stuff is pretty straightforward, and let's face it, I could play the drums in that band. Not that DSotM, WYWH and Animals aren't top-notch records that people will be listening to in a thousand years (and enjoyng the mind-altering substances of the future to as well). Without a doubt they are one of the greatest rock bands that have ever been and will ever be, for that matter.
But the G (up through Wind and Wuthering, anyway) have such stylistic diversity, amazing multipartite songwriting, such dazzling musicianship and craft behind them. Gabe's theatrical touches (up to '75), so legendary that cover bands who put on verbatim presentations of their early tours sell out 5,000 seat venues... cover bands! All in all the G are just more unique and take more risks than PF. That's why I picked them.
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 20:01 |
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Can someone please tell me whats so outstanding about Pink Floyd.
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70sSoundquality
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 18:45 |
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THIS IS SO STUPID
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