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Flyingsod ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 19 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 564 |
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Atheism: A=a prefix meaning without or not. Theism= the belief in a god or gods of individual personality. So atheism is simply an unbelief in gods. There are more than a few defintions of religion on the books. Beliving in a god is not essential to every definition. So it is possible to be atheist and religious. Although atheism is not a religion according to any of the definitions.
As for morality in the 70's they may not have been moral by your standards but that doesnt make them unquivocaly immoral. Acceptable morals may have been different then. Unless they did something that hurt you its not appropriat to apply personal morals to others. Morality is generaly defined by religious leaders or texts telling thier flocks whats right and wrong but that isnt the only road to morality. Edited by Flyingsod |
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Zoso ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 501 |
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That song owns. |
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Flyingsod ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 19 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 564 |
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I get so sick of hearing that. Seems 3 out 5 times I tell someone I don't belive in god I get the "your just mad at god becasue something really bad happened in your life" comments. They make no sense when there was never any faith to rebel against in the first place. Some people just have minds that only analyze facts and we just dont see any facts that add up to a supreme being. An atheist might evangelize fro similar reasons that a religious person would. They care. Perhaps this atheist evangelizer sees religions as wasting peoples time and especially money. Maybe he just wants them to be able to be free from the scam and ejoy this life to its fullest without artificial restrictions imposed by most religions. I'm not prosyletizing...just some thoughts on the matter. Ive worked in a hospice long ago but I have never seen anyone on thier death bed revert from atheism although I am sure it happens. Most patients Ive delt with come in with religous beliefs that just get real strong near the end. Also Ive never had anyone on thier death beds talk religion with me. Almost without exception (when they had composure enough to talk with a lowly orderly type) they lectured on the importance of spending time with family as opposed to working hard at the expense of family time. The first few times I dismissed it as the ramblings of those near death but the persistance of the subject from those dying eventually made me accpet it. I mean who knows better what is important in life than those about to loose it. and so many of them said it... Hmmm that had nothing to do with prog or even music. way OT hehe Ok to make this on topic I will tell everyone to listen to PiRATES by Emerson lake and palmer. Why? because it is important to keep the earths temperature down. Check it out here ![]() |
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Evolver ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5482 |
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Very true. He declares it in his book, "The Real Frank Zappa Book". |
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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jonali ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: October 10 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 34 |
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Nick Mason is an atheist. A quote can be found here: http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Nick_Mason As other people already have mentioned, Gilmour is also an atheist, but I believe Waters has a religious or spiritual belief of some kind (cannot remember the quote or the interview). Dunno about Wright (or Barrett for that matter). if you click further on "Recording Artist" on that web page, you will find further comments from artists who are either atheists or very sceptical of religious belief. |
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man@arms ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 238 |
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Rushman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 30 2006 Status: Offline Points: 190 |
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This is a fairly interesting read. It's a letter to the editor of a Texas newspaper that Neil Peart wrote in response to their coverage of a conference of some religious group claiming that rock music has subliminal satanic messages in it. Somewhat related to this thread, definitely gives you insite into his beliefs. A few Peart/Rush songs that give you more insite: Anthem, Freewill, Tom Sawyer, look up the lyrics.
Damn, he's a great writer!
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Wow, this post really took off better than I thought it would.
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Lofcaudio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 04 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 444 |
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Wow...a very well-written response by Mr. Peart. As a believer in the Bible and a follower of Jesus, I applaud him for his acute insight into human nature and perhaps even having a greater glimpse of the Truth than many of us who call ourselves "Christians."
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man@arms ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 238 |
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Here's to Neil Peart! |
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Laurent ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 04 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 513 |
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And I could say that, deep down inside, Christians are just insecure, afraid and weak. So they make believe in this supernatural deity to reassure their fears. I could say that, but I won't. I don't know it to be true, and am no position to judge the motives, and character of others who choose to believe, or disbelieve what they do. Edited by Laurent |
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MajesterX ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 513 |
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This is why I don't like these kind of threads. They always seem to offend everyone.
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KazimirMajorinc ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: February 23 2006 Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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I guess Area should be atheists, since they were extreme leftists.
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The Wizard ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
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So your saying all extreme leftist are atheist? |
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The Miracle ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
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Tull = Anderson, and Anderson is an atheist
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kajkeron ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: April 07 2006 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Atheist prog? Rush! Indian Summer (1 song oon the album). Probably in many cases the ideological or spiritual preferences of the singer are considered as a profile of the band. (or - in case of King Crimson - guitarist's..). |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Very interesting, I really like all the feedback I've gotten on this one.
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Seyo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 08 2004 Location: Bosnia Status: Offline Points: 1320 |
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The very question of this topic presuposes that there is a general agreement on definition about religion or atheism, which do not exist in practice, at least not in full scope. Another thing, it assumes that prog rock therefore music therefore art must necessarily express a certain religious, political, ideological or philosophical standpoint, which again is highly debatable. Atheism of course means "disbelief in divine being(s)" but itself can be structured as a religion. There exists for example "Agnostic Church" in USA, with organization, membership, practice and defined creed "we don't know and we don't care" (about existance of God). Now, if I don't adhere to this "church" does it make me "anti-agnostic", therefore gnostic or theist? The whole sub-culture movement of the 1960s (from which of course the prog rock sprung up) was largely anti-establishment, anti-institutional and anti-Christian church as an established body of authority. It was informed by the so-called "religion of nature", sort of neo-paganism, and many influences from the East Asian religions, notably Hinduism and Buddhism. It was all an important segment of the psychedelic rock, acid-culture and peace movement. |
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Derraine ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: December 23 2005 Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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ELP's Tarkus has a lot to do with the corruptive potential of religion. I think though, that it's important to distinguish between the question of theism/atheism (whether a person believes in the existence of a deity) and that of religion (what a person's precise spritual beliefs are). Incidentally, does anyone know anything about Steve Hogarth's religious beliefs? He sings about god sometimes, but on one occasion describes god as being female, perhaps to suggest that he is not referring to a specific god of the judeo-christian-islamic model? |
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Witness the man who raves at the wall!
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Masque ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 01 2006 Status: Offline Points: 808 |
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