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micky 
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 Posted: April 06 2006 at 13:13 |
 MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Joolz wrote:
Hell no - Zep were not Prog.
Sure they pushed the boundaries but they operated within the genre of
hard rock. Leave it there.
I don't understand this apparent need
to include everyone under the sun in this site. Somebody wanted David
Bowie. Or Stravinsky. One day soon someone will propose adding Madonna.
Can't vote either!
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It's not about "prog", but "prog-related". |
by that rationale is every band that put an album or two out that
incorporated SOME prog elements going to be put under
Prog-Related. The question is are they prog or are they
not. Those who are borderline like ELO make a good fit for prog
related. Those like Zeppelin who were first and foremost a rock
band.. that happened to see the winds of musical change blowing and
incorporated an epic or two on an album... that's not prog-related...
that's prog...sampling hahahah. Then again I'm one of those who
has the crazy notion that Prog was a movement to bring artistic
integrety to rock music. Zeppelin were more interested in album
sales, ticket sales, and generally getting rich and laid than any
prevailing sense of changing the way rock music is viewed or done on
the artistic side. 
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man@arms
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Posted: April 06 2006 at 13:50 |
Zeppelin were more interested in album sales, ticket sales, and generally getting rich and laid than any prevailing sense of changing the way rock music is viewed or done on the artistic side.
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 This is a fairly true assessment, although this makes them sound like they didn't give a rat's a$$ how good their albums actually were, which is not true. Zeppelin were leagues away from Foghat, Nazareth or even Aerosmith in terms of quality.
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Posted: April 06 2006 at 14:34 |
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I voted Yes, although their most progressive album is "Houses Of The Holy".
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micky
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Posted: April 06 2006 at 14:46 |
man@arms wrote:
Zeppelin were more interested in album
sales, ticket sales, and generally getting rich and laid than any
prevailing sense of changing the way rock music is viewed or done on
the artistic side.
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is a fairly true assessment, although this makes them sound like they
didn't give a rat's a$$ how good their albums actually were, which is
not true. Zeppelin were leagues away from Foghat, Nazareth or
even Aerosmith in terms of quality. [/QUOTE]
well I do tend to rant and rave so yeah I did go a bit too far
ahahahha. Obvioiusly they weren't hacks.. but I do not see them as
artists either and not any part of a progressive movement.. just swept
up in it in a way.
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glass house
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Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:47 |
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Is this prog Archives or progressive Archives ? If it is the second one, surely Zep must be in the Archives. Within the rock music they were highly progressive. IV is not prog related, Psychical Graffity imo is.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:56 |
glass house wrote:
Is this prog Archives or progressive Archives ? If it is the second one, surely Zep must be in the Archives. Within the rock music they were highly progressive. IV is not prog related, Psychical Graffity imo is. |
It is prog archives, with the prog related section attached to it. I know what you mean regarding Physical Graffity, but I prefer the compactness of Led Zeppelin IV - only Rock and Roll and Going to California are plain rock songs.
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yeppp
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 05:40 |
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Why did you choose IV ?? Come on " Physical Graffiti "
is much more progressive !!! IV is a good rock album with SOME prog
influences.. BUT i would say that Physical Graffiti could be labeled as
a prog album
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 06:07 |
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IIn prog terms IMO Physical Graffiti contains more "prog filler" than Led Zeppelin IV. Especially side 4, but also Custard Pie, Trampled Underfoot, Down by the Seaside.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 06:59 |
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There is no "filler" on P. graffiti!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 07:11 |
Snow Dog wrote:
There is no "filler" on P. graffiti! |
I meant to say "prog filler"! 
I would never say that there is general "filler" on P. Graffiti, although I think that side 4 is indeed a little bit lengthy. Not filler, but not brilliant either.
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Phil
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Posted: April 07 2006 at 08:52 |
I can't vote.....is this prog elitism rearing its head again?!
Of all Zeps' albums I don't especially like IV..OK that wasn't the question; my answer to the question is that it depends: IMHO, I would say no it is not prog related; but then I look at bands like Deep Purple etc being included in PA and on the basis of comparison, I would have to say...yes.....
Physical Graffitti is the Zep album that I think is most "prog" like....and the best....
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Posted: April 20 2006 at 08:45 |
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I would say it's prog-related. It's quite proggy in spots.
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Posted: April 29 2006 at 19:16 |
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I'm starting to wonder what people on this site think prog actually is. Clearly I have a much different definition than most people. The term progressive doesn't mean the band significantly contributed to the advance of rock and roll. What the hell would that mean anyway? If it did mean that, then where the hell are Robert Johnson and Muddy Waters. They advanced rock more than any band mentioned here. And they certainly influenced Zeppelin more than Stravinsky and Debussy, so Zep is firmly in blues rock territory.
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 06:38 |
Winter Wine wrote:
1973's 'Houses of the Holy' would be closer to prog, It has an incredible amount of styles and certain connections with what other prog groups were doing around that time, 'The Song Remains the Same' and 'No Quarter' are perfect examples of this.
Led Zeppelin IV is hard to categorise, Not one song sounds alike really, It's certainly more progressive than what most groups associated with Zep were doing.
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^ My thoughts exactly.
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 07:12 |
Joolz wrote:
Hell no - Zep were not Prog. Sure they pushed the boundaries but they operated within the genre of hard rock. Leave it there.
I don't understand this apparent need to include everyone under the sun in this site. Somebody wanted David Bowie. Or Stravinsky. One day soon someone will propose adding Madonna.
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Stravinsky is very, very prog! Have you ever heard "Rite of Spring"? It's real proto-prog-metal in my book! 
Back to LZIV, I voted yes, even though there are only two or three tracks that may be said to be prog-related. The others are straight hard rockers or even blues numbers (namely "When the Levee Breaks"). As others said before me, the following albums contain a higher number of prog-related tracks ("No Quarter", "Kashmir", "Achilles' Last Stand").
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 22:56 |
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IV is definitly prog related!!!
But Zeppe as a band isnt
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Posted: April 30 2006 at 23:59 |
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No.....its a led Zeppelin album. |
anyway... Yes
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 09:54 |
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They're definitely good and I do think they're at least prog related though not really much more.
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 09:54 |
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:49 |
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No.
There's a diverse range of styles used to create songs with common song structures.
Prog Rock is as much about structure as it is about diverse influences - and rarely uses common song structures, which is one of it's defining points.
Consider "Stairway..." - it's even simpler than most common song structures in that it's mainly verses and no "chorus" - it's a piece in two halves, or two riffs.
Hardly Prog.
And the other songs speak for themselves - Led Zep II is more progressive as an album than IV, and the "progressiveness" is in the experimentation in the jams.
Add Led Zep, and you'll need to add John Mayall, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Savoy Brown and all the other Progressive Blues bands (that is what they were called at the time).
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