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Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Frank Zappa!

Just listen to the third part of You Are What You Is!

Very true.  He declares it in his book, "The Real Frank Zappa Book".
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Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Deep down inside I don't think everyone is a true atheit, it's more because thay have been hurt in their faith somehow, and so go against it.




 I get so sick of hearing that. Seems  3 out 5 times I tell someone I don't belive in god I get the "your just mad at god becasue something really bad happened in your life" comments. They make no sense when there was never any faith to rebel against in the first place. Some people just have minds that only analyze facts and we just dont see any facts that add up to a supreme being.

 An atheist might evangelize fro similar reasons that a religious person would. They care. Perhaps this atheist evangelizer sees religions as wasting peoples time and especially money. Maybe he just wants them to be able to be free from the scam and ejoy this life to its fullest without artificial restrictions imposed by most religions. I'm not prosyletizing...just some thoughts on the matter.

 Ive worked in a hospice  long ago but I have never seen anyone on thier death bed revert from atheism although I am sure it happens. Most patients Ive delt with come in with religous beliefs that just get real strong near the end.  Also Ive never had anyone on thier death beds talk religion with me. Almost without exception (when they had composure enough to talk with a lowly orderly type) they lectured on the importance of spending time with family as opposed to working hard at the expense of family time. The first few times I dismissed it as the  ramblings of those near death but the persistance of the subject from those dying eventually made me accpet it. I mean who knows better what is important in life than those about to loose it. and so many of them said it...


Hmmm that had nothing to do with prog or even music. way OT  hehe  Ok to make this on topic I will tell everyone to listen to  PiRATES  by Emerson lake and palmer. Why? because it is important to keep the earths temperature down. Check it out here
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Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

ELP's 'The Only Way' has athiest lyrics that mock the idea of god and practices of Christianity.

I must  agree that most prog is spiritual though.



That song owns.
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Atheism: A=a prefix meaning without or not. Theism= the belief in a god or gods of individual personality. So atheism is simply an unbelief in gods.  There are more than a few defintions of religion on the books. Beliving in a god is not essential to every definition. So it is possible to be atheist and religious. Although atheism is not a religion according to any of the definitions.

 As for morality in the 70's they may not have been moral by your standards but that doesnt make them unquivocaly immoral. Acceptable morals may have been different then. Unless they did something that hurt you its not appropriat to apply personal morals to others. Morality is generaly defined by religious leaders or texts telling thier flocks whats right and wrong but that isnt the only road to morality.



 


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Points: 31336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 21:34

Frank Zappa!

Just listen to the third part of You Are What You Is!
RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

I don't want to get too far off topic but... sure, some people carry atheism too far.  I know someone who actually made atheistic flyers & handed them out in subway stations, just like the born-agains.  People can go over the edge over any idea.  But most of us are quite normal.

Although I do occasionally worship at the alter of the true gods: Fripp, Emerson, Wakeman, Zappa...

Your right about too far, why the heck would you evangelise athesim for?, if there is no afterlife then there is no hope, so if you were an atheist wouldn't you keep it to yourself rather than evangelise there is no hope, after all if you believe no religion is true you may as well leave people to practise what they want, since there is no skin off the atheists nose, since there is no truth, and in the long run religion can't hurt you, so I say even if they atheists are telling the truth, I'd rather believe in God and have hope, and live a good life because of it than to be depressed from nothing.

Deep down inside I don't think everyone is a true atheit, it's more because thay have been hurt in their faith somehow, and so go against it.

Anyway my grandfather was a doctor and he said he never saw an atheist die, because they would all pray and convert b4 they died. Which shows when it really matters no one is an athiest.
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I don't want to get too far off topic but... sure, some people carry atheism too far.  I know someone who actually made atheistic flyers & handed them out in subway stations, just like the born-agains.  People can go over the edge over any idea.  But most of us are quite normal.

Although I do occasionally worship at the alter of the true gods: Fripp, Emerson, Wakeman, Zappa...



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Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Lofcaudio Lofcaudio wrote:

I have a question:

Isn't atheism a religion?

No. Atheism is the absence of a religion.

 

But some people get carried away and dogmatic that it may as well be a religion.

eg; the atheist worship of Darwin

sorry I was just kidding
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Lofcaudio Lofcaudio wrote:

I have a question:

Isn't atheism a religion?

No. Atheism is the absence of a religion.

 

But some people get carried away and dogmatic that it may as well be a religion.

eg; the atheist worship of Darwin
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Originally posted by Lofcaudio Lofcaudio wrote:

I have a question:

Isn't atheism a religion?

No. Atheism is the absence of a religion.

 
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Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.
You know lots of them, do you?
What does religion have to do with morality? Confused
(Not a joke)

No, but let's review the facts here. Almost everyone did drugs. There were hot groupies who flung themselves at anyone with any degree of talent. Most of them had lots of money. They're in the entertainment industry.
Those things don't add up to a good moral position.

Let me ask you this: how does religion not have to do with morality? I can't say anything until I understand where you are coming from.
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Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

 

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.

 

You know lots of them, do you?

What does religion have to do with morality? Confused

(Not a joke)

Umm  Everything
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Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

 

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.

 

You know lots of them, do you?

What does religion have to do with morality? Confused

(Not a joke)
"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Points: 7341 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 18:20
Originally posted by Tholomyes Tholomyes wrote:

SOFT MACHINE could be?

I'm refering to the Volume Two with Robert Wyatt above all the song "Dada Was Here" (lyrics in spanish) that has references to nihilism, being Dada an art movement that profess that kind of anti-religious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada

Very intresting!
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SOFT MACHINE could be?

I'm refering to the Volume Two with Robert Wyatt above all the song "Dada Was Here" (lyrics in spanish) that has references to nihilism, being Dada an art movement that profess that kind of anti-religious.
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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:49

Originally posted by Minkia Minkia wrote:

I RECKON PERON, PINOCHET, OLD BAG THATCHER, FRANCO AND BUSH SHOULD FORM A PROG BAND CALLED 'THE DICTATORS'.

I reckon that you should drop that caps and stop being so subtle about you political leanings. And perhaps make a post that's actually relevant to the topic!

This is off-topic, but I think that the above quote shows what is wrong with modern politics. It's no longer about whose policy you think is better; it's mind-numbing personal attacks which have relevance to the debate at hand. Ok, Bush got a DUI citation when he was 17 or something. Kerry faked throwing away his medals. Who the hell cares?
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I heard once that it was off by about 7 years.

Possibly. However, all that shows is that the ancient mathematicians weren't too good with numbers :) 
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Points: 1485 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:21
Originally posted by Blackleaf Blackleaf wrote:


Well, I'm atheist, and I can't actually pick bands that ARE relgious most of
the time. In general, I think it's a good idea to keep your religious ideals
out
of music for the most part, because as some wise person once said "Once
you start talking about relgion in any way, you are GOING to offend
someone."The only song that spring to mind is Dream Theaters In the
Name
of God as being pretty anti-religion.BL~


Actually "In the Name of God" is 100% religious. It's about how high
powered
people in the government can control certain aspects of life during
wartime
but it's okay because it's "in the name of God."

EDIT: And you haven't heard of any religious bands, or bands that talk
about religion?

Dream Theater does a lot, Kansas, Proto-Kaw, Genesis, Yes to name a
few.

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I RECKON PERON, PINOCHET, OLD BAG THATCHER, FRANCO AND BUSH SHOULD FORM A PROG BAND CALLED 'THE DICTATORS'.
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Didn't robert fripp break up kc in 1974 because of some eastern/new age religious   belief that the world was going to end in 1999, and the king c break up was just part of winding things down.

Well thats what my cd booklet of red says.

 
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Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Waters seems to be against religion most of the time (Time, lots of The Final Cut, and I'm sure parts of his solo albums). I find attacks annoying, but maybe that's because I'm Catholic.

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.

I know this is going back a bit in the thread, but Jesus was a real person. Now in life He would have actually been called Joshua bin Joseph, or something like that; Jesus is the Greek-ized version.
Obviously the miracles and such are open to debate, but He (perhaps technically the apostles) started the Catholic Church. (and it's a good thing too. More explanation can be given on that if desired.) He was executed by the Romans, and the calendar was later changed to reflect His birth. Now the mathematicians got it wrong by about 4 years, but nevermind about that. :)

I heard once that it was off by about 7 years.

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