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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 07:57
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Rush does have some humanistic/secular lyrics I found Permanent Waves to be the case, but doesn't Geddy Lee wear the Star of David around his neck, whether for cultural or religious I don't know.

Yes seem to believe in everything, while Rick Wakeman left because he thought they had become too new age, which is funny since I saw a Rick Wakeman "new age" CD in a bargain bin in a music store, it was all about star signs etc.

 Jethro Tull was not anti-christian, just against the church institution. If you listen to aqualung you will find out he is very explicit in his faith God.

 

Peart is an athiest for sure. Many Rush lyrics are inspired by the writing of Ayn Rand who was very much an athiest, as the main peddler of her 'Objectivism' philosphy, there was no room for 'blind faith' in her ideas.

Although Geddy is Jewish, I dont think he practices Judaism.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 15:52
Originally posted by Blackleaf Blackleaf wrote:


The only song that spring to mind is Dream Theaters In the Name of God as being pretty anti-religion.

BL~


I agree this is a hard topic to talk about without offending anyone. It is also hard because you don't know if the information you are reading is actually true. In the Name of God is NOT an anti-religious song. It is only against cults and religions who do voilent acts in the name of God. John Petrucci, who wrote the lyrics, is a strong Catholic and his religious beliefs are shown in songs such as voices, scarred and the spirit carries on. Also, I don't think anyone in DT is an athiest, as John petrucci is Christian, James Labrie is Christian (for example, Blind Faith), John myung has stated his biggest influence is Jesus, and both Jordan rudess and Mike portnoy are Jewish.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:26

I have a question:

Isn't atheism a religion?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:28

Waters seems to be against religion most of the time (Time, lots of The Final Cut, and I'm sure parts of his solo albums). I find attacks annoying, but maybe that's because I'm Catholic.

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.

I know this is going back a bit in the thread, but Jesus was a real person. Now in life He would have actually been called Joshua bin Joseph, or something like that; Jesus is the Greek-ized version.
Obviously the miracles and such are open to debate, but He (perhaps technically the apostles) started the Catholic Church. (and it's a good thing too. More explanation can be given on that if desired.) He was executed by the Romans, and the calendar was later changed to reflect His birth. Now the mathematicians got it wrong by about 4 years, but nevermind about that. :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:41
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Waters seems to be against religion most of the time (Time, lots of The Final Cut, and I'm sure parts of his solo albums). I find attacks annoying, but maybe that's because I'm Catholic.

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.

I know this is going back a bit in the thread, but Jesus was a real person. Now in life He would have actually been called Joshua bin Joseph, or something like that; Jesus is the Greek-ized version.
Obviously the miracles and such are open to debate, but He (perhaps technically the apostles) started the Catholic Church. (and it's a good thing too. More explanation can be given on that if desired.) He was executed by the Romans, and the calendar was later changed to reflect His birth. Now the mathematicians got it wrong by about 4 years, but nevermind about that. :)

I heard once that it was off by about 7 years.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 16:58

Didn't robert fripp break up kc in 1974 because of some eastern/new age religious   belief that the world was going to end in 1999, and the king c break up was just part of winding things down.

Well thats what my cd booklet of red says.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:06
I RECKON PERON, PINOCHET, OLD BAG THATCHER, FRANCO AND BUSH SHOULD FORM A PROG BAND CALLED 'THE DICTATORS'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:21
Originally posted by Blackleaf Blackleaf wrote:


Well, I'm atheist, and I can't actually pick bands that ARE relgious most of
the time. In general, I think it's a good idea to keep your religious ideals
out
of music for the most part, because as some wise person once said "Once
you start talking about relgion in any way, you are GOING to offend
someone."The only song that spring to mind is Dream Theaters In the
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of God as being pretty anti-religion.BL~


Actually "In the Name of God" is 100% religious. It's about how high
powered
people in the government can control certain aspects of life during
wartime
but it's okay because it's "in the name of God."

EDIT: And you haven't heard of any religious bands, or bands that talk
about religion?

Dream Theater does a lot, Kansas, Proto-Kaw, Genesis, Yes to name a
few.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 17:49

Originally posted by Minkia Minkia wrote:

I RECKON PERON, PINOCHET, OLD BAG THATCHER, FRANCO AND BUSH SHOULD FORM A PROG BAND CALLED 'THE DICTATORS'.

I reckon that you should drop that caps and stop being so subtle about you political leanings. And perhaps make a post that's actually relevant to the topic!

This is off-topic, but I think that the above quote shows what is wrong with modern politics. It's no longer about whose policy you think is better; it's mind-numbing personal attacks which have relevance to the debate at hand. Ok, Bush got a DUI citation when he was 17 or something. Kerry faked throwing away his medals. Who the hell cares?
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I heard once that it was off by about 7 years.

Possibly. However, all that shows is that the ancient mathematicians weren't too good with numbers :) 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 18:11

SOFT MACHINE could be?

I'm refering to the Volume Two with Robert Wyatt above all the song "Dada Was Here" (lyrics in spanish) that has references to nihilism, being Dada an art movement that profess that kind of anti-religious.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 18:20
Originally posted by Tholomyes Tholomyes wrote:

SOFT MACHINE could be?

I'm refering to the Volume Two with Robert Wyatt above all the song "Dada Was Here" (lyrics in spanish) that has references to nihilism, being Dada an art movement that profess that kind of anti-religious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada

Very intresting!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 18:21
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

 

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.

 

You know lots of them, do you?

What does religion have to do with morality? Confused

(Not a joke)

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Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 18:27
Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

 

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.

 

You know lots of them, do you?

What does religion have to do with morality? Confused

(Not a joke)

Umm  Everything

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 18:33

Originally posted by Peter Rideout Peter Rideout wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

I'm not all that suprised Gilmour's an atheist. I really don't think many of those guys in the '70s were extremely moral people.
You know lots of them, do you?
What does religion have to do with morality? Confused
(Not a joke)

No, but let's review the facts here. Almost everyone did drugs. There were hot groupies who flung themselves at anyone with any degree of talent. Most of them had lots of money. They're in the entertainment industry.
Those things don't add up to a good moral position.

Let me ask you this: how does religion not have to do with morality? I can't say anything until I understand where you are coming from.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 18:44
Originally posted by Lofcaudio Lofcaudio wrote:

I have a question:

Isn't atheism a religion?

No. Atheism is the absence of a religion.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 19:03
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Lofcaudio Lofcaudio wrote:

I have a question:

Isn't atheism a religion?

No. Atheism is the absence of a religion.

 

But some people get carried away and dogmatic that it may as well be a religion.

eg; the atheist worship of Darwin

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 19:11
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Lofcaudio Lofcaudio wrote:

I have a question:

Isn't atheism a religion?

No. Atheism is the absence of a religion.

 

But some people get carried away and dogmatic that it may as well be a religion.

eg; the atheist worship of Darwin

sorry I was just kidding

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 21:06

I don't want to get too far off topic but... sure, some people carry atheism too far.  I know someone who actually made atheistic flyers & handed them out in subway stations, just like the born-agains.  People can go over the edge over any idea.  But most of us are quite normal.

Although I do occasionally worship at the alter of the true gods: Fripp, Emerson, Wakeman, Zappa...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 21:25
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

I don't want to get too far off topic but... sure, some people carry atheism too far.  I know someone who actually made atheistic flyers & handed them out in subway stations, just like the born-agains.  People can go over the edge over any idea.  But most of us are quite normal.

Although I do occasionally worship at the alter of the true gods: Fripp, Emerson, Wakeman, Zappa...

Your right about too far, why the heck would you evangelise athesim for?, if there is no afterlife then there is no hope, so if you were an atheist wouldn't you keep it to yourself rather than evangelise there is no hope, after all if you believe no religion is true you may as well leave people to practise what they want, since there is no skin off the atheists nose, since there is no truth, and in the long run religion can't hurt you, so I say even if they atheists are telling the truth, I'd rather believe in God and have hope, and live a good life because of it than to be depressed from nothing.

Deep down inside I don't think everyone is a true atheit, it's more because thay have been hurt in their faith somehow, and so go against it.

Anyway my grandfather was a doctor and he said he never saw an atheist die, because they would all pray and convert b4 they died. Which shows when it really matters no one is an athiest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2006 at 21:34

Frank Zappa!

Just listen to the third part of You Are What You Is!

RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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