Zeuhl 5

oliverstoned wrote: You guys know that? WEIDORJE

This album actually got me interested in Zheul and Magma in particular. This one and wonderful Zao's "Shekina"

Great thread,

 I am just starting to enter 'Zeuhl' through the front door with Magma;  as I luckily found nearly all their records in the Parisian library system, I am doing a chronological retrospektive. I just arrived at Live/Hai and up to now my favourite 3 are:

-Köhntarkösz/ Live-Hai/  -1001° Centigrades

to be continued... BTW what band/record should I continue with in terms of musical continuity after Magma?

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You're obviously a Zeuhl machine. I deeply appreciate that since Magma is also my favorite band and I've been fortunate to see them 4 or 5 times in the past 6 years or so, although I do not know a fraction of the Zeuhl that you do. Great stuff you've suggested and thank you for sharing your knowledge. The hunt for great Zeuhl continues.

However, I was surprised that you (and others) consider Kohntarkosz to be Magma's greatest. I like it, but it is neither my favorite, second favorite, nor third favorite. I find the title track(s) to be a bit clattery and unfocused while not quite matching the force, catharsis or bliss of the greatest Magma material (MDK, WI, De Futura or even Eliphas Levi, in its way). Ironically, the most revelatory track on the album is the atypical and McCoy Tyner-esque "Coltrane Sundia."

Let me know what you see that I do not.

captainbeyond wrote: ‚Ý‚±‚·‚è‚Í‚ñ You're obviously a Zeuhl machine. I deeply appreciate that since Magma is also my favorite band and I've been fortunate to see them 4 or 5 times in the past 6 years or so, although I do not know a fraction of the Zeuhl that you do. Great stuff you've suggested and thank you for sharing your knowledge. The hunt for great Zeuhl continues. However, I was surprised that you (and others) consider Kohntarkosz to be Magma's greatest. I like it, but it is neither my favorite, second favorite, nor third favorite. I find the title track(s) to be a bit clattery and unfocused while not quite matching the force, catharsis or bliss of the greatest Magma material (MDK, WI, De Futura or even Eliphas Levi, in its way). Ironically, the most revelatory track on the album is the atypical and McCoy Tyner-esque "Coltrane Sundia." Let me know what you see that I do not.

 A wonderful track that saves an otherwise disappointing album.

For me Kohntarkosz is Vander's most successfully realised large scale composition, although Wurdah Itah is my overall favourite album from Magma's classic period. And what about the stunning K.A. ?

Hey Syzygy,

Forgive me if I'm being over-persistent, but can you give me a better idea of what about or where within Kohntarkosz you get "The Blast." It's a trip but doesn't give me that rush, that shot into the stratosphere, that, say, MDK does. For example, in MDK, there is the concluding movement that just picks up steam and explodes into bar after bar of increasing intensity, peaking and peaking till it all comes to its strong conclusion. MDK has the highs/lows, brights/darks, heavy/lights, male/female choirs and a propulsive force. What about Kohntarkosz moves you in this way?

As for KA, it is truly great and I love it in the way I love almost everything that Magma has released. However, I remember Stella mentioning the album back at a show in, like, 2000 so delayed desire left me with overly-high expectations. As good as KA is, I can't say there is anything compelling enough about it to make me throw it on rather than MDK or WI.