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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2006 at 01:26

Give up, my friend! Its useless. Can't be figured out because PG didn't really know what it all meant.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2006 at 03:07
Originally posted by ldlanberg ldlanberg wrote:

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size=3>Give up, my friend! Its useless. Can't be figured out because PG
didn't really know what it all meant.


 


That was so weak I feel the need to go lift weights to make sure my limbs
arent atrophied as well.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2006 at 03:21
Originally posted by dojonane dojonane wrote:

Originally posted by ldlanberg ldlanberg wrote:

<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"
size=3>Give up, my friend! Its useless. Can't be figured out because PG
didn't really know what it all meant.


 


That was so weak I feel the need to go lift weights to make sure my limbs
arent atrophied as well.

Yes, very, very weak indeed

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2006 at 03:56
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

What the hell? The music is good, but what do Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, The Battle of Epping Forest, The Cinema Show, and Aisle of Plenty actually mean? I get that Dancing... is lamenting the downfall of England, but I'm not sure what the dancing captain and knights have to do with it. The lyrics on Firth seem rather pointless, and lots of the lyrics for The Battle... seem even more pointless. ("And Harold Demure, still not quite sure, fired an acorn from out of his sling...") I also have no idea what it's about: what are East-End protection rights, and why are the gangs fighting over them? What does the story of the Reverend have to do with anything at all? I have no idea what Aisle of Plenty is about either. A return to the opening theme is interesting (and I suppose more original in 1973 than it is now), but the confused marketplace speaking trailing off was an exceptionally poor way to end the album. It would have been better if at the very end after everything had trailed off Gabriel had spoken "It's scrambled eggs." like the lyrics sheet says.


All help is appreciated. It's kind of annoying that prog lyricists seem to think that they have failed if it's possible for the listener to figure out what the hell he's talking about. :( (Jon Anderson, Ian Anderson on APP and to a lesser extent TAAB, King Crimson, etc.)


Ahem...MUST lyrics have a meaning?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2006 at 07:41
Must lyrics have a meaning? Interesting question.

I reckon there are two schools of thought on this: it seems to me that either
a) lyrics should be intelligent and sophisticated, requiring a certain amount of thought in their construction and in their analysis (which is all part of the fun) or at the very least emotive and expressive, or
b) totally meaningless but nevertheless serving to enhance the music.

Anything that falls between these two extremes is basically vocal doodling or mind-numbing "pop" in my opinion, and there's far too much of that around already. Personally, I would prefer more instrumental music; if you can't come up with interesting lyrics and/or don't have a strong voice capable of getting your message across, then shut up and let the music speak! (Take a bow Andrew Latimer )
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2006 at 14:16

Originally posted by BiGi BiGi wrote:


Ahem...MUST lyrics have a meaning?

No they MUST not necessrilly, for example:

  • Focus: Not properly lyrics except in a couple of songs, voice is mostly used as another instrument, Thijs Van Leer uses his voice to make yodeling and strange sounds.
  • Yes: Even when some of their lyrics have meaning, Jon uses the words as in poetry, the most inportant aspect of the words is how they sopund in the context of the melody

But there are other bands in which lyrics have meaning, the most evident case is Genesis:

  • The Return of the Giant Hogweed: Tells the story of a hazardous plant that was taken to London and became a plague.
  • Can Utility and the Coastliners: The story of King Knute of Norway and I believe England, who one day shouted during a storm and the waters calmed, so his  followers claimed that "at his command waters retreat". According to the legendary story, he was accused of witchcraft and he had to prove his innocence accepting to be tied to a stone throne and almost drowned because the high tide didn't accepted his command.
  • Supper's Ready: Is a personal experience of Peter, one night he saw the face of his wife change (almost as a posession), -well remember the guy is bipolar- and created all the story of good against evil using quotes from The Book of Revelations.
  • Fountain of Salmacis: The Mythological story of Hermaphroditus the son of Gods (Hermes and Aphrodite) who blended with the femenine spirit of a Fountain and both became one, male and female all together.
  • The Knife: Evident satire of a revolutionary messiah who sends his people to death without any problem while he stays safe "Some of you are going to die, marthyrs of course of the freedom that I shall provide"
  • Watcher of the Skies: Some sort of religious Sci Fi story of an Alien who comnes to a post apocalyptic earth "Judge not this earth by it's empty remains".
  • Musical Box: A terror story about a kid  (Little Henry) who is beheaded  by a girl (Little Cynthia). Little Henry goes to heaven and it's forced to come back as an old man into a Musical Box. But of course his feelings  for Little Cynthia had changed due to his different age, now his desire was close to sexual (If you see Pete singing you can watch his body language), that's why the costume of Old Henry and the shouts of Touch Me, Touch Me in his concerts while opening his shirt as for Little Cynthia to touch him. 

And I could go for hours, because almost every Genesis song has a story, their style was absolutely narrative, and as Genesis we have other bands like Kansas (Even made a song about Howard Huges) or Jethro Tull (Most of thier lyrics have a meaning).

But this are different perceptions of music and lyrics, I like the narrative style more, but that's personal choice only.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2006 at 19:43
Originally posted by BiGi BiGi wrote:

Ahem...MUST lyrics have a meaning?

Almost always. It doesn't have to be deep, oblique, and allusive, like much of Gabriel's work; but it bothers me if the lyrics don't mean something (unless it's Syd Barrett, just because he pwns). Because to me, it seems like the lyricist is being lazy and taking a shortcut if the lyrics are random nonsense.
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