Gentle Giant HAS BEEN HIP-HOP SAMPLED!!!

Not attacking anyone here, but I think it's really hard for some people to except other genres as music, especially, but not limited to, Punk, Rap, and Hip-Hop.  I'm not really a hip-hop fan, but I don't hate it and could care less if someone was sampling a song by and band, Prog or not. I'm however, a fan of punk, post-punk, and other 80s alternative artists, and have noted certain forum members put down these artists. I have to say that there are good and bad sides to each genre, I know it may sound cliche, but I think it's fairly accurate. No one needs to leave the site or any of this arguing, and honestly, if I could I would close this thread, just because it's gotten a bit out of hand. Peace.

By the way, on an unrelated note, dojonane, you're art stuff is pretty awesome.


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dojonane wrote: Zac M wrote: By the way, on an unrelated note, dojonane, you're art stuff is pretty awesome. Ha. Well thank you brother. I'm glad even the tiniest speck of fantasia has survived this soul mutiny cesspool. This is just becoming exhausting. Your right. There's no more hope in opening someones eyes to the beauty of something their not already intuitively disposed to see than there is prying open a rusty garage door with a spork. What image in particular were you looking at? I do web design, and Ive always wanted to work with some brother proggies!

The images on your myspace are particularly amazing, seriously. I dig your music too, great stuff, listening right now.  I'll go ahead and add you or you can add me, if you don't care. 

By the way, those who claim hip-hop and Prog can't exist should listen to this:



Zawinul's Dialects, an interesting blend of hip-hop, trip-hop, jazz fusion, and world music with great keyboard work, obviously.  Worth a spin.

hajakalmah wrote: Have you listened to the "meat grinder" track of madvillain's madvillainy? It's Frank Zappa's "Sleeping in a jar" from Uncle Meat! LISTEN TO MADVILLIANS RIP OFF OF FRANK ZAPPA WHICH I'M SURE HE DIDN'T GET A DIME FOR

You're not helping the situation whatsoever.

"To be honest, I have moved away from sampling. If I do it now, it is usually a sound-effects record or something very strange. But the prog-rock records are where it’s at: Chase, Can, Faust, King Crimson, etc."     ---from a 2001 interview with noted Cincinnatti, OH hip-hop producer Boom Bip

"Deleted after much effort by myself in the 1980s, it is now a cult classic and in so much demand we are planning a re-release through Virgin. I have recently received two requests to sample parts of it for new releases."    --Robert Fripp on King Crimson's "Earthbound," before its 2003 reissue

"Sh*t, I like Soft Machine, Gentle Giant, Electric Lucifer... all of that weird stuff. I've got crates of psych and prog-rock..."   ----hip-hop artist Madlib in a Sept. 2004 interview

Here's a couple of pages actually suggesting proggy samples to loop:
http://www.vinylvulture.co.uk/pages/funkyprog.htm
http://www.vinylvulture.co.uk/pages/funkyprog2.htm

And then there's the case of this soon-to-be-reissued-with-bonus-tracks-and-I-can't-wait album:

....which contains more samples than you could possibly count, but also qualifies as a prog classic.  Byrne & Eno were in fact sued and had to remove the track called "Qu'ran" from later editions, those artless thieves!!!!!  America is Waiting, all right... for these mindless plunderers to be locked up and the key thrown away for all Eternity, that is!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think what is needed (and perhaps the indignant Ivan would agree) is a Star Chamber tribunal of Prog artists, to try, convict and occasionally execute hip-hop "artists" that dare to sample from the hallowed realms of Prog.  If we could just get, say, Greg Lake, Keith Emerson, Derek "Bon Jovi" Shulman and a few others to donate their time to this noble cause, we could end the unconscionable scourge of this plague of thievery that threatens to subsume not just Prog but all of legitimately recorded Music (itself made only by carefully trained, diploma-holding graduates in the rigidly-controlled, rarified environs of extremely expensive Music Academies) in its wake.  Because Prog, being a wholly original genre that is in no way at all derivative of any other form of music, deserves to go on unmolested by the artless thieves who would, in their greed and obvious inferiority, steal from the lifeblood of this most perfect and awesomely original artform.  Perhaps if these artless cretins knew that they might end up "sampling" some pancurium bromide on a lethal-injection table, they might think twice before cueing up their dastardly machines to hijack whatever funky-ass 13/8 groove they might find hidden away, as a pearl within the oyster, on a Prog record.

I think I will now sign off, strap on my headphones (with a Prog classic like EL&P's first, wholly original album) and march into the streets of the West Oakland ghetto -- carefully stepping over the discarded album covers of "Close to the Edge" and "Free Hand" left in the streets to rot after being eviscerated of their worth, so as not to further damage them -- to root out any greedy, expressionlessly uncreative hip-hoppers that might, just might, be lurking and considering raiding the Prog section of our local Bay Area record emporia for material to consciencelessly plunder... because I believe (as our fearless and perfect leader Mr. Bush) that these audiorobbers -- themselves no different from the terrorists that threaten our vaunted Freedoms and our very existence -- need to be eliminated pre-emptively, before they can develop their heinous Weapons of Prog Destruction (WPDs).

Good night, fair Protectors of Sacred Prog, and good luck.

 

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ah nobody: Thank You Thank You! Much appreciated indeed!

ivan_2068 wrote: maybe I'm too rigid

Zweck wrote: By the way, doesn't Faust's music contain quite a bit of sampling? Though sure I'll soon learn how that doesn't count, I'm willing to give this one a try.

Yes, my ever-vigilant friend, it's true, these elderly purveyors of German electronic noodlings have, in all defiance of the carefully-written, inviolate rules of Prog, used samples numerous documented times. 

This is why myself and other concerned citizens have formed Progressive Rock In Cohesion Kills Sampling (PRICKS), to force other Prog artists who might be thinking of breaking the rules of this most perfect and acclaimed genre to THINK TWICE before they do so.

The PRICKS Manifesto:

We, the concerned citizens of PRICKS have formed this coalition to root out and stop at the source any and all use of prerecorded music in Progressive Rock for any purpose, period.  We do this because we believe that to copy a couple of chords from a real artist, repeat the ad nauseam and add some computer beats is not art.

Further, we assert that there's a great difference between being influenced by other genres and/or musicians and simply copying music, you can use the  structure  of Baroque music for exanple and blend it with rock to create a whole original work with high artistic value.  Any deviation from this inviolable law --nay, this One True Way of Music Making --will not be tolerated.

Lastly, we are against any form of felony or dstealing intellectual property, and don't you forget it.

Only together, my friend,  can we defeat the horrifying, terroristic enemy that is sampling.

That is all.

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