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avestin
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^^^ Hi Bryan, I meant this thread for all to recommend their favorite stuff, not to trash others favorites. This was meant to be left at the door for the other mean threads, in which people compete with each other who will have the most offensive comments. Yes, I know your view of what is mature and non-mature and which listener's ears are ripe and which are not. But then you say Jean Michelle Jarre is one of the best of the 70's prog... I don't share this appreciation for him. No one claimed that Solaris are superior and excellent complex prog. I said that it is not complex and I think it is obvious from this I do not consider it prime class prog but more of fun prog! Anyway, if JMJ is 70's masterpiece, than I can we can afford recommending Solaris, without risking the corruption of the youth's ears, ah, what do you say? Anyway, instead of only criticizing, could you give some of your own recommendation. Pick one or two album from which genre you want, which ever band you like and write about it (You can even use your review you have posted about it). So will you grace us with some post? I think people here can learn a lot from your vast knowledge (this is not sarcasm, for those that don't know, Bryan here has an extensive knowledge of the world prog scene). Have a good day all! EDIT: I edited it, cause I thought there were some remarks that were out of place. Edited by avestin |
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DallasBryan
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sorry about the uppity comment, guess I have been lopping heads of late. continue, my bad.
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avestin
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^^^ Ah, Bryan, there you are... I appreciate yor comments. Well, what can you tell us about the South American prog scene which we conjured up in the previous page? Any interesting unknown or neglected band, we should know about? I know only the essentials and the ones everyone already know about, so that is why I turned to experts (As I did all along PMing people to contribute here on their area of expertise). BTW, a general note to everyone. I said it before, but I'll repeat it. If someone wants a taste of the recommendations here given by me, I can send you a sample song or two, for you to get acquainted. Just PM me and tell me what you want to listen to.
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avestin
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Not a recomm, just thoughts... I've been thinking about the concept of originality a lot lately, due to bands like Wobbler and because of chats and comments by forum members such as DallasBryan. And he has a very good point. Much of the music (I refer to prog, because it is quite obvious for all the rest) is often more than reminiscent of other previously released music. The influence is noticeable in many groups (say, Anglagard). In some, it is like a clone (say Citizen Cain). The thing that matters is that even if you are influenced by some other group, you still manage to put your touches and your personality in it. Anglagard does that quite successfully IMO. Citizen Cain does not. That is not to say that the music in Somewhere but yesterday is not good. It is in fact, very good if you judge it by musical standards without bringing in the originality issue. But some of us have critical minds that cannot bare lack of originality. You need to put something into it that is your own, to twist the prime musical reference and put your mark on your music. Not to make it better, but to make it yours. So, should we judge albums by virtue of originality as well? It is done here everyday on PA when people constantly refer to Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, Camel, Gentle Giant etc as the old masters. Their time refered to as the golden age. The music refered to as very original and never heard before. Their originality is one of the reasons they are still treasured and adored by even young prog fans to this day (there are more reasons, obviously). So we can not turn a blind eye on lack of imagination and originality. It is too a criterion by which music should be measured. Only, it is not the most important. I will still enjoy Citizen Cain and Sinkadus and other bands that bare a striking resemblance in sound to other bands. But, I will always appreciate the pioneers for their vision and talents. I have not addressed this issue enough in previous recomm's. I wont focus on it from now as well, but I will comment about it when appropriate. Another thing related to this, is I was thinking that all the prog we know and especially here on PA, we tend to classify it to genres and not to geographical locations. Even though we have had great threads of Spanish, Belgian, French, US, Italian, Russian and Japanese prog, the categorizations we made were based on the usual classification - symphonic, RIO, jazz-rock etc. Only when it comes to Folk does the geographical start to play a part. Geography is not always a sound determining factor in band's music. And sometimes it is. Enough for now.
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avestin
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I mentioned a Polish earlier, that I wanted to recommend. It is probably well known here in PA, but I'll write anyway. The band is INDUKTI and the album is S.U.S.A.R. from 2005. Heavy dominant and aggressive guitar riffs woth the violin dancing in front as if bewithched. Most of the tracks are instrumental. The guitars play with violin which is let loose to do as it pleases, turning to psychedelic sides at times. Together they craft magnificent textures of music. There is the occasional harp bits which add to the magic of this recording. At times reminiscent of King Crimson in spirit but there is one bit that is really like a KC tune. The vocals are performed by country fellow Mariusz Duda from RIVERSIDE. Beautiful haunting voice does he have. They sway from the soft mellow tunes to aggressive hard edged guitar riffs and back and this is why the album has a very good flow to it, and it took me time to seperate the tracks in my mind. But they are different from each other. People who love Riverside, King Crimson and moderately experimental bands will probably appreciate this record. I enjoy it very much. Thanks to Jody, TheProgtologist for introducing me to them. |
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stechell
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Love South American Prog!! Good list, but you really need an update!!! ARGENTINA NEXUS - classic symphonic prog. Beautiful female vocals. CHANETON - good Neo Prog band BRAZIL APOCALYPSE - Excellent Neo Prog band PERU SUPAY - Only listened a couple of samples, but what I've heard sounds great!! I'm waiting to get their album . Prog Folk CHILE AISLES - The Yearning a wonderful symphonic album EOS (EndOfSilence)- If you like Rush, you may like this band. JAIME ROSAS CUARTETO - The best SA band (IMPO) Superb Symphonic Prog. SETI - Very interesting Symphonic Project. A must. BARROQUEJON - Concerning the Quest, the Bearer and the Ring. A Nice mix of Prog Metal/Medieval and Symphonic. Based on Tolkien's LOTR. GORGEOUS!!! Many more, I'll post them later. oncerning the Quest, the Bearer and the Ring
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Ivan, I am an extreme fan of SA Prog. For me it is the most creative and authentic Prog music nowadays. Love FRAGIL's AV. Larco album, but I've been unable to find it (Lost my copy some years ago). Extermely interested in grabbing a copy of TRAFFIC SOUND and LAGHORNIA. Do you know any online service where I can find them?? Cheers..
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avestin
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^^^ Great, I've been looking for people to help me fill up this list. What about Colombia, Paraguay, Ecuador? Do you know bands/artists from there? BTW - what update? For instance, Angulart is quite new (released their first album only this year). Waiting for your next post with additional bands as you promised See you.
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avestin
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Hi stechell you can get the following at http://synphonic.8m.com: FRAGIL LAGHONIA TRAFFIC SOUND Edited by avestin |
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Paloma
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I like so much a band I discovered lately, IZZ. They have a very good album " My river flows " it´s fantastic IMO.
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I´d give you all of my dreams, if youd help me,
Find a door That doens´t lead me back again take me away |
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Some recommendations from Brazil (prog, prog-related & prog-influenced):
If one is interested in listening 30 sec of some songs from many of the above names, I recommend the site below (in English). But pay attention, you have to search by the 1st name, eg, WAGNER TISO, go to letter "W". |
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avestin
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Thanks, Guigo, that is quite a list. Definitely what I was meaning by recomm's. I will try and find some of them that sound interesting according to your descriptions. I've been listening yesterday and this morning to the album Io Sono Murple from 1974, the only release by the band MURPLE. Teh album is made of 12 songs, but they are divided into two parts of connected songs that make up two long tracks of 17:38 and 16:37 minutes. Deeply based in the symphonic style, with heavy use of keyboadrs that alternate between slow and gloomy parts to dynamic evil sounding parts, with the guitars to back it up. Apparently it is a concept album about a penguine named Murple (which is seen on the cover) that decides to leave his home and go see the big world and in his tavels he meets an evil man. The music is beautiful and varied enough to keep us always waiting to hear what will be next. It may not be totally original, and you may have already heard that in pther bands, Italian and others alike, but it is done very well, and the musicianship is quite good and the pieces are composed in a good way. In the end it is a very beautiful music, and that is what matters to me. I find this album very good and it is starting to be one of my favourites along ALPHATAURUS s/t album and others from the Italian Symphonic Prog scene. |
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avestin
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The regular Saturday morning special. Today I decided to focus on French prog of all sorts. The following is part of the playlist (in alphabetical order): ANGE - Le Cimetière des Arlequins, Au-delà du Délire , Emile Jacotey, Par les Fils de Mandrin ART ZOYD - Musique Pour L’Odyssée, Génération Sans Futur ASIA MINOR - Crossing the Line , Between Flesh and Devine ATOLL - Musiciens - Magiciens , L'Araignée-Mal CLEARLIGHT - Clearlight Symphony ETRON FOU LELOUBLAN - Les 3 fous Perdegagnent - Au pays des... HELDON - Allez Teia, Un Reve Sans Consequence Speciale, Interface , Stand By MAGMA - 1001° Centigrades, Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, Köhntarkösz, Üdü Wüdü NIL - Quarante Jours Sur Le Sinaï, Nil Novo Sub Sole PULSAR - The Strands of the Future SAENS - Escaping from the Hands of God, Prophet in a Statistical World SILVER LINING - The Inner Dragon TRIODE - On N'a Pas Fini D'avoir Tout Vu XII ALFONSO - The Lost Frontier , Odyssees, Claude Monet - Volume 1, Claude Monet - Volume Deux, 1889-1904
This list is far from being conclusive, but it is a good starting point for the uninitiated. |
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avestin
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I decided to choose one of the above mentioned albums to recommend. It is MALDOROR - L'Arbre-Cimetière As stated in their biography written by Lise, they have been together for ten years under two other names before recording this album. This album is I think quite an accomplishment as it manages to have the sound of "old prog" with recognized sounds from past bands, such as Genesis, Ange, King Crimosn and others and at the some time be original and create a sound of their own! The keyboards are excellent in giving the music a slightly depressive sound but full of passion and they are backed up by good guitar work. The vocals are IMO, excellent and fit the music perfectly. The msuci itself is beautiful and without knowing this is a concept album you can feel it from the music alone - you'll understand when you'll hear it. This is one of my favourite albums of the recent years. Listen to it! If anyone wants, PM me and I'll send you a song or two from this record. |
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I recommend Fragile. Awesome prog-fusion out of Japan. Go to WEER radio and check out some cuts this month. I never heard of them cause their albums are imports but I am looking to get some of their stuff. This band smokes. |
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I honestly reccomend any starter in Peruvian Prog to avoid Anything by Frágil exzcept Avenida Largo and Sorpresa del Tiempo which are outstanding, pure Symphonic Prog, "Cuento Real and Alunado are more commercial oriented. Laghonia Etcetera is a MUST HAVE. And Traffic Sound I encourage to get any of the two compilations I mentioned if you can't get the original releases, there's a place called Inca Rock that has a lo of links for Peruvian Prog, also MUST HAVE. Iván |
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avestin
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Thanks for the tip. I managed to get My River Flows and I Move. I'll give them a listen this week. I hope those of you who got Maldoror are satisfied with it so far. Since Toni (Jimbo) opened a thread today saying MAGYAR POSSE will release a new album in April/May, I'd like to mention them in a quick note as wirth listening to post-rock band. Their two previous efforts We Will Carry You Over The Mountains and Kings Of Time are good albums, particularly the latter. I'll give a more detailed description of them later on this week. |
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avestin
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^^^ Hi, Andrea. I see we share our passion towards these bands. By the way, you are more than welcome to give us here some of your (many) recommendations. |
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Thanks, Assaf! Only one recommendation (for now, at least. Two recommendations, really!):
One of the greatest acoustic guitarist in Italy. Memorable albums! The first one has been recently re-issued in elegant papersleeve cd format by BTF (Euro 15.00). Edited by Andrea Cortese |
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