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Direct Link To This Post Topic: Which is best - vinyl or CD ?
    Posted: March 14 2006 at 13:35

A common enough question in music forums -  but some may find my experiences useful i hope!

The case for vinyl.  Until recently i bought all my new and second hand music on vinyl. On good quality equipment you find recordings vary greatly due to the mastering techniques used in the studio, but in the late 60's and early 70's real hi-fi was for the rich and up till the 1980's most people played their music on dansettes and those awful music centres, and everything sounded the same. Many recordings were mastered for these things, especially singles. i have found many early lp pressings to be the most reliable in terms of quality. i have some original  Buddy Holly lp's that sound absolutely stunning, thick vinyl / audiophile / virgin vinyl  pressings don't all sound vastly different from their counterparts, i have found some thin floppy bargain bin discs that have been brilliant. The biggest drawbacks with vinyl concerns user-friendliness: noise during quiet passages, also they collect dust, are easily scratched and you can't skip from track to track with a remote or play them in the car, yet the thrill of owning an original shiny black disc and the artwork/ inserts to gaze at is uncomparable to cd packaging.

The case for cd. When cd's first came generally available in the mid - 80's Mark Knopfler said "now everyone can hear what our music sounds like to us in the studio" and the German conductor Von Karajan was equally enthusiastic and claimed digital and cd was the future of recorded music. in those days the technology was still in its infancy and had many shortcomings, longevity was one issue, mastering was another. Decent Hi-fi equipment was much more affordable by this time and everyone was dumping their music centres and marvelling how great the new cd's sounded on their brand new systems, a fantasic improvement over their old outdated ones! in recent years digital technology has come along in leaps and bounds but i have found overall digital is or can be better than vinyl (CD,SACD,DVD-A) but is not a general rule as some vinyl originals have sounded much better than cd/remastered cd's  in my own comparison tests (Layla, Rush's Hold Your Fire/Grace albums, Yes Big Generator all sound a lot better to me on vinyl, although the early Robert Plant and the Led Zeppelin remastered albums, also Rick Wakeman's Six Wives masterpiece, seem to have have been improved on cd). Saying that, the case is the same with vinyl it depends what you play it on - a good quality player (around £500+)  should be standard for the best sound quality.

Overall vinyl is not finished yet and even seems to have enjoyed a resurgence in recent years, so although i will buy all my new music on cd I won't be dumping any of my vinyl collection yet!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 13:47
There is no real difference in the perceived quality. I prefer CD for numerous reasons, but I'm sure that if I had a vinyl player today, I would buy many new (and old) releases on vinyl just for nostalgic reasons.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 14:49
A cheap turn table plays better than a cheap cd player i can almost guarantee you that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 14:57
^ let's not go there - at least not in this thread. agreed?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 14:58

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ let's not go there - at least not in this thread. agreed?

Well do you disagree that a cheap vinyl player for the price for forexample at $250 sounds better than a cd player for $250?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:14
Cd me for me. My vinyl days are over thank goodnesss!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:16
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ let's not go there - at least not in this thread. agreed?

Well do you disagree that a cheap vinyl player for the price for forexample at $250 sounds better than a cd player for $250?

I dont agree.....................is that cheap anyway? its more mid price isnt it? Is that US dollars? Hm maybe it is cheap!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:16
Do you prefer CD because it is more practical? Why not go the full step to mp3 then? Thats even more practical?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:19
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ let's not go there - at least not in this thread. agreed?

Well do you disagree that a cheap vinyl player for the price for forexample at $250 sounds better than a cd player for $250?

Yes I do. But discussing that here in this thread is rather off topic. It's not good CD player vs. cheap CD player.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:19

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Do you prefer CD because it is more practical? Why not go the full step to mp3 then? Thats even more practical?

It sounds better...thats why.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 15:21
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Do you prefer CD because it is more practical? Why not go the full step to mp3 then? Thats even more practical?

It sounds better...thats why.

It sounds better than vinyl??? Ah well i give up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 13:10

But vinyl is still a crap polymer for analog discs - although better than shellac of the old 78's, admittedly - but with plastic techology having evolved phenomenally 50 or more years since vinyl was first introduced, its about time a far better quality plastic or elastomer be used - they are certainly available - which

  • doesn't pick up static
  • doesn't  scratch so easily, indeed positively scratch resistant
  • doesn't warp
  • gives a far higher level of reproduction from the master, gives longer life to the sub-masters
  • comes in any colour you like

CD are made from polycarbonate metallised with pure aluminium, which is typical protected from oxidation by an acrylic-urethane lacquer, and as such 25 years on still is pretty cutting edge combination of materials.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 13:26

Some vynils are 70 years old and still in perfect condition...

So, that's not an issue at all.

For sure, there are huge diference between a 180g and a flexible lower quality vynil.
But, anyway vynil -or rather analog in general- will always sounds better very simply cause analog doesn't alter the signal's integrity as digital does.

Now, you can have some pleasure in digital...but you have to pay a lot!!! more than analog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 21:28
MP3's - gets rid of those annoying highs on digital CD
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:27
CD! get with the times



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 22:46
After much debate and debacle, I decided that it's all a totally subjective matter.  certain things sound better on vinyl because its the way they were originally made, or because that medium suits them better.  Other things tend to sound better in the digital realm because that is the way they were conceived.  I really don't think theres a scientific answer to this one.        
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:20
Those who say that simply don't know.
A good Rega Planar 3 explodes most CD players.

It's like that, and theres nothing to do to change it.
Digital doesn't works, that's sad. However, with much investment and optimization, you can reach an acceptable
level of satisfaction on CD.
But if you put a good vynil on a good turntable beside, you cry.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:28

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Those who say that simply don't know.
A good Rega Planar 3 explodes most CD players.

It's like that, and theres nothing to do to change it.
Digital doesn't works, that's sad. However, with much investment and optiization, you can reach an acceptable
level of satisfaction on CD.
But if you put a good vynil on a good turntable beside, you cry.

What can you do if most of the music you like is not even published on vinyl? Does that mean that you'll never be able to really enjoy the music (only "acceptable" is certainly not good enough)?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:41
That's it. And that's why i invested much into CD playback system...To have pleasure on digital and enjoy the great choice available on CD. Also, i must admit that CD is more convenient.

You can even have a lot of pleasure, but you have to have a solid bank account:





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 22:02
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


Some vynils are 70 years old and still in perfect condition...

So, that's not an issue at all.

For sure, there are huge diference between a 180g and a flexible lower quality vynil.
But, anyway vynil -or rather analog in general- will always sounds better very simply cause analog doesn't alter the signal's integrity as digital does.

Now, you can have some pleasure in digital...but you have to pay a lot!!! more than analog!

But don't analogue sources deteriorate with every listen even using the highest quality hi-fi equipment and top quality vynil/tape ?.

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