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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 15:47 |
There is a lot about Hugh Banton's organs, so I'll try to summarize:
He first had an American Thomas, this he had from May to August 1968.
Next up:
Farfisa Compact Duo (same type as used on Piper At The Gates Of Dawn), that he used from August 1968 to 1969. He had the following Effects and Amps:
Fluid Sound Box Distortion box WEM amp & speaks Vox Wah-Wah pedal
He used this on Afterwards and Firebrand.
VdGG had all their equipment stolen, so he replaced the above with a Farfisa Professional that he used 'til August 1969. The Effects and Amps for this were:
2 x Fluid Sound Box Distortion box Phasing Pedal
Amps:
Hiwatt + 2x 4x12 speakers Hugh Banton Custom Leslies
He used this on Aerosol Grey Machine, The Least We Can Do, H to He and BBC Sessions.
Nic Potter left during the recording of H to He, so Hugh decided to take over with bass duties, he acquired a Hammond E112 and modified it. This is a very complicated organ!
He rewired the motor switch, so he could run the motor down independently of the organ's electronics. He used two Rotasound boxes and two amplifiers to generate a stereo "Leslie" effect. He obviously incorporated bass pedals into this too and they had their own amplifier and reflex speaker (built by Nic Potter). Additionally, Hugh built a remote stereo Hammond spring reverberation unit, which was amplified through two speakers, which he located wide of the stage.
This was used on Pawn Hearts and BBC sessions, here are details:
Effects & Amps:
2 x Schaller Rotosound WEM Copycat echo Echo & organ motor switches 3 x Distortion; 1 x Overdrive Hugh Banton Stereo spring reverb
Amps:
6 x 100W channels 4 x 4x12; Hugh Banton Bass speaker 2 x WEM speakers for reverb
He used this organ from 1970 through to 1973 and used the Farfisa Professional alongside it, particularly on White Hammer.
The band split-up and then reformed... in this time, Hugh started to build his HB1, which was his very first custom organ. But he hadn't completed this in time for the re-formation of the band, so he rented a Hammond C3 with pedals, Leslie and re-used the tape echo and motor switch from the previous set-up. The details are:
Effects & Amps:
WEM Copycat echo Leslie RTR speakers and amps.
He used this on Godbluff, Still Life and World Record.
He then finally completed HB1. This contained the original Hammond keyboards and generators from the E112, coupled with three new build electronic generators sets intended to provide all the Farfisa sounds and more. The American RTR cabinets utilised 24" bass speakers, which reproduced 32-foot (16Hz) organ tone.
Details:
Effects and Amps:
WEM Copycat echo 4 x 100W amp channels 2 x RTR speakers
He used this on BBC sessions.
Now, we fast forward to 2005.
He now uses:
Roland VR-760 Roland VK-7 MIDI pedal-board
and the following Effects & Amps:
Line6 Delay Modeller Hugh Banton 6x 125W amplifiers 4 main, 1 sub speaker Hugh Banton custom Leslie
He's modified an original '70s organ-pedal board to provide velocity-sensitive MIDI for the bass and the Line6 is used for authentic tape-echo effects.
And Jim, he has had a career as a church organ builder.
I hope this is of some use!
He used this on Present and all the live gigs from 2005.
Edited by Geck0
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 04:15 |
Jim Garten wrote:
pierreolivier wrote:
the spinets like the L100,M100 and M3 |
If I had to choose a Hammond I'd love to own apart from a C3, it would be the M3 - absolutely gorgeous instrument, the king of the spinet - no silly presets, just drawbars & proper waterfall keys
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I'm completely agree with you.The M3 is the king of the spinet and will like to have one in the future.
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 03:45 |
pierreolivier wrote:
the spinets like the L100,M100 and M3 |
If I had to choose a Hammond I'd love to own apart from a C3, it would be the M3 - absolutely gorgeous instrument, the king of the spinet - no silly presets, just drawbars & proper waterfall keys
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 15:24 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Good heavens! I may just have to look into this a bit further - I thought my L was in pretty good nick for a 35 year old - now it looks to be about the same age as me (but in considerably better condition, regrettably).
As an aside, I never much cared for the T series, as they were transistorised, rather than valve driven - there's nothing quite so soothing as the smell of a warm valve when you're playing with your organ. Also, I found their sound to be a tad harsher than the valve driven organs. |
The book "the Beauty in the B" is a useful book to anyone who had an interest in Hammond organs.The only dowside of it, Vail concentrate mostly on console organs like the B3,C3 and A100 but there a chapter where they recapitulate all the tonewheel models including the spinets like the L100,M100 and M3(the one I consulted to tell the date of your organ on a previous post).
As for the T series,they were mainly later date organs and uses transistors but the T100 still use tonewheels.My friend(who was the original keys player in "The Musical Box")had an L100 in the beginning of the project but replace it with a T100 later on and said that it do the job pretty well.
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 14:15 |
Good heavens! I may just have to look into this a bit further - I thought my L was in pretty good nick for a 35 year old - now it looks to be about the same age as me (but in considerably better condition, regrettably).
As an aside, I never much cared for the T series, as they were transistorised, rather than valve driven - there's nothing quite so soothing as the smell of a warm valve when you're playing with your organ. Also, I found their sound to be a tad harsher than the valve driven organs.
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pierreolivier
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 20:02 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Now that's interesting - I have the original Hammond warranty (but not the receipt, so I don't know how mucgh was paid) from when my little beastie was purchased from new in Exeter, Devon on 9th December 1971 (which was coincidentally my wife's 4th birthday), and given their popularity at that time, it's difficult to believe a brand new Hammond gathered dust in a shop for seven years before being bought. Are you sure Mark Vail wasn't referring to the original L100 as opposed to the L series as a whole?
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I think he is referring to the whole L series because he spoke about the other different cabinets like the L111 and L122 in the same article and he doesn't talk about other L models.If you talk about the Porta L,it's completely another kind of organ and had nothing to do with the original L100 serie,the Porta L is not a tonewheel organ.Don't forget that Hammond was a very special company and they doesn't take back an organ that a dealer doesn't sold.So it not impossible that your organ was in the store for a couple of years before the first owner brought it.I clearly remember when I began to became interested in Hammond organ at the age of 7,I was going to the Hammond dealer near my home and they still have older models like L100,M100 and A100 new and on sale several years after the model was discontinued. Don't forget that the ordinary Hammond consumer of the time want the latest model (even if it's doesn't have tonewheels) and as the years passed, they get stuck with a lot of unsold organs. My grand uncle had the same brought pattern as the first owner of your organ as he said to me some years ago before his passing that he brought his Hammond L102 new with Leslie 147 in the fall of 1970.Unfortunately, he sold it 12 or 13 years later to buy a newer,transistorized models with an internal Leslie(what a shame...).
To concluded,in the book Mark Vail said that the T100 serie, wich was the remplacement of the L100 serie began production in March 1968.So, the production of the L100 maybe goes further than July 1964 as Mr.Vail suggest but was certainly discontinued in March 1968 when the T100 hit the market.
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 15:47 |
And thanks for beautiful pics!
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 15:46 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Seyo wrote:
Jim, is it Hammond spinet that Caravan used on the album "In the Land of Grey and Pink" |
Almost certainly, Seyo - 'Nine Feet Underground' is a great example of a non-Leslied organ being played with distortion and wah-wah effect...
Unless it's being played through a Dallas Arbiter fuzz pedal....
Or both...
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Thanks.
A very similar sound (at least to my non-musician ears) can be heard in Traffic's "Low Spark of High Heeled Boys album title track, as well as in many Camel records. I guess that's it.
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 03:52 |
Geck0 wrote:
Hugh Banton made his own organs, by converting existing models. I shall list there details in due course (in the next few days). He was also a skilled cabinet maker as well.
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I believe Hugh Banton now has his own company making custom organs for churches...
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 03:18 |
Rosescar wrote:
On the first picture, that big box on the right is the amp? |
That's right - the classic combination of a Hammond Organ & a Leslie 145 cabinet; halfway down the cabinet, there's a 15" speaker facing down into a rotating drum, and at the top, the treble drivers face upwards into a pair of rotating horns; speed of rotation (fast/slow) is controlled by a switch you can just about see on the front of the organ on the left (poor picture, sorry), and the whole shebang is driven by a 45 watt valve amplifier - when you floor the swell pedal, this baby can blow the windows out!
As an aside, Laurens Hammond, inventor of the original Hammond organ hated the sound of a Leslie.
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 03:07 |
pierreolivier wrote:
You have a very beautiful organ... |
That's a dangerous thing to say to a 'Carry On' films fan...
pierreolivier wrote:
...and a very fine leslie.Just a little rectifier,you say that your organ was made in 1971 but according to the Hammond book "Beauty in the B" by Mark Vail,all the L models were produced between September 1961 and July 1964 so your organ may be older than you think. |
Now that's interesting - I have the original Hammond warranty (but not the receipt, so I don't know how mucgh was paid) from when my little beastie was purchased from new in Exeter, Devon on 9th December 1971 (which was coincidentally my wife's 4th birthday), and given their popularity at that time, it's difficult to believe a brand new Hammond gathered dust in a shop for seven years before being bought. Are you sure Mark Vail wasn't referring to the original L100 as opposed to the L series as a whole?
Incidentally, the warranty has expired... cheapskates!
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 19:43 |
Hugh Banton made his own organs, by converting existing models. I shall list there details in due course (in the next few days). He was also a skilled cabinet maker as well.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:35 |
Jim Garten wrote:
OK then - my very own 1971 Hammond L122 with Leslie 145
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Hi Jim,
You have a very beautiful organ and a very fine leslie.Just a little rectifier,you say that your organ was made in 1971 but according to the Hammond book "Beauty in the B" by Mark Vail,all the L models were produced between September 1961 and July 1964 so your organ may be older than you think.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 13:56 |
On the first picture, that big box on the right is the amp?
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 12:14 |
Great pictures!
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:05 |
Seyo wrote:
Jim, is it Hammond spinet that Caravan used on the album "In the Land of Grey and Pink" |
Almost certainly, Seyo - 'Nine Feet Underground' is a great example of a non-Leslied organ being played with distortion and wah-wah effect...
Unless it's being played through a Dallas Arbiter fuzz pedal....
Or both...
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Jim Garten
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:56 |
OK then - my very own 1971 Hammond L122 with Leslie 145
Its far bigger (and more expensive) brother, the glorious Hammond B3
...here being (ab)used by Ken Hensley:
Finally (for now) - the weird, wonderful & gloriously cheesy sounding Vox Continental:
Enjoy...
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 04:38 |
Very interesting.
That would be nice to post pics to illustrate the different organ kinds/models.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 04:19 |
Jim Garten wrote:
pierreolivier wrote:
I own a L-100 since a couple of years and like it very much.With a leslie cabinet, they sound very good, like in Genesis records |
I've an L122 myself (played through a Leslie 145) and they're wonderful instruments (considerably lighter/smaller/cheaper than the full console B3/C3s) - the only thing I'd take issue with is that unlike many players, I don't believe Tony Banks ever used a Leslie cabinet - I think his was adapted for use with a 1/4 inch jack plug to a standard amplifier.
David Sinclair (Caravan) and David Stewart (Hatfield & The North, Hillage) were others who used a Hammond spinet through a standard amp, but they took advantage of this arrangement to use a great deal of guitar effects pedals, most notably wah-wah & distortion/overdrive - this in turn gives a particularly individual sound to the Hammond - almost unrecogniseable from the 'usual' sound, but still wonderful. |
Jim, is it Hammond spinet that Caravan used on the album "In the Land of Grey and Pink"?
Was it the same instrument used also by Steve Winwood on Traffic's "Low Sparks of High Heeled Boys" title track?
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 03:42 |
Hmmm - I sit corrected (damn this truss) ; you get so used to hearing the fast doppler effect created by the treble horns on fast setting used for emphasis, you assume a Leslie isn't present when a player doesn't use the setting... Unless Banks was using one of the smaller Leslie 110s which had the fast/slow on the bass speaker, but no treble horns (which would explain pierreoliver's 'Salmacis' reference, above) - also, the T500 Banks used later on had a built in Leslie rotating bass speaker, so he wouldn't necessarily need an additional cabinet...
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