Scientist vs. Audiophile

Lindsay Lohan wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: Digital audio will always have it flaws to analog just as a digital O can never be totally round digital music can never reproduce a perfect sine wave. You're totally missing the point. Even an analog O is never totally round. Zoom in closer and closer ... eventually you'll see atoms/molecules. The point is: The ear has a certain resolution, and it is totally irrellevant whether the reproduction of a signal is degraded beyond that resolution. It simply doesn't matter. Yes but the resolution is still not high enough to sound exactly the same as a analog recording. There is infact a screen that has such a high resolution that you can't tell apart reality from what is shown on the screen...now thats future!

Ok. And just how close do you have to be to that screen? I mean, if you move too far from it your eyes can't recognize all the details anymore. Then where is the difference between that screen and a normal one?

Lindsay Lohan wrote: Distance does not matter...if you had forexample a room and you had the entire screen fill the room and then put a picture of the room that is on the backside of that screen. Then it would be impossible to differ the "real room" from the picture taken of the room on that screen!

 well, you certainly are quite creative, I give you that!

BTW: I'm currently rating Scabdates on my homepage ... you still into Mars Volta?

^ sure, if you spend enough money you can build a perfect screen. But what is the point?

BTW: I would rather try to focus on the motif, not the medium

Lindsay Lohan wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ sure, if you spend enough money you can build a perfect screen. But what is the point? BTW: I would rather try to focus on the motif, not the medium Im just saying that someday you can get digital media that has such a high resolution that the brain nolonger can differ the issultion from reality. Forexample the really high end stereo equipment is meant to reproduce the symphony orchestra like it was right there in your living room so your brain could no longer differ between having a symphony orchestra in your living room and between listening to it on a cd forexample but it requires some really good equipment!

You just need a reasonably good system with big speakers - and a decent volume.

Lindsay Lohan wrote: To properly create the illution of a 105 man strong orchestra you need ALOT more than a reasonably good system...even my system that costs $ 30 000 can't do it properly

Nonsense. I can enjoy a good album (be it classical, rock or metal) on any kind of system. I can also enjoy listening to it encoded in WMA 64kbps. I don't focus on the sound quality at all.

For example I really enjoyed testing the Logitech X-210 computer speakers that I bought for my parents last weekend. I connected them to my computer just to test them and was amazed of their sound quality. Mind you, they cost 35 EUR. A cheap 2.1 system, but amazingly powerful and accurate considering how crappy some even more expensive computer boxes can sound. I was listening to it for quite some time without even realizing it. And while I was listening I of course heard the limitations of the system ... but I didn't mind. I focused on the music.

Lindsay Lohan wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: To properly create the illution of a 105 man strong orchestra you need ALOT more than a reasonably good system...even my system that costs $ 30 000 can't do it properly Nonsense. I can enjoy a good album (be it classical, rock or metal) on any kind of system. I can also enjoy listening to it encoded in WMA 64kbps. I don't focus on the sound quality at all. For example I really enjoyed testing the Logitech X-210 computer speakers that I bought for my parents last weekend. I connected them to my computer just to test them and was amazed of their sound quality. Mind you, they cost 35 EUR. A cheap 2.1 system, but amazingly powerful and accurate considering how crappy some even more expensive computer boxes can sound. I was listening to it for quite some time without even realizing it. And while I was listening I of course heard the limitations of the system ... but I didn't mind. I focused on the music. Ah well im sure you can enjoy it but you can never produce the same feeling like if you had the entire Symphony orhcestra right in your living room.

The point is: I don't need to have a perfect system. I don't try to improve my system until it is perfect - because that is not possible. Audiophiles are obsessed with reaching that state of perfection ... paying enormous amounts of money for anything from gold-plated connectors and vacuum-contained cables to specially coated walls and their own private power plant. And all that for what? For some mysterious improvement in sound which they cannot even hear in listening tests?

Lindsay Lohan wrote: But certainly when you are used to high end systems you get annoyed by the lack of quality on a low end system. A really good system can make good music even better, because music is all about emotions and the more "real" the music sounds the more "real" the emotions are...and while imight get goosebumps listening to a certain track og a high end system og high volume i will not get the same excitement on a low end system...buts thats me as i said there are many that can't hear the difference between a 128kb/ps mp3 file and a SACD

Lindsay Lohan wrote: The audio system is perfect when the brain can't tell the difference between the actual musicians sitting in the room and playing the piece and a recording of them doing it. This is the same thing as the screen which is so good that the brain can't tell what is real and what is a illusion.

 I just refuse to believe that having such a system will improve your life. Or put another way: Without such a system you can enjoy music as much as with one.

Lindsay Lohan wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: The audio system is perfect when the brain can't tell the difference between the actual musicians sitting in the room and playing the piece and a recording of them doing it. This is the same thing as the screen which is so good that the brain can't tell what is real and what is a illusion.  I just refuse to believe that having such a system will improve your life. Or put another way: Without such a system you can enjoy music as much as with one. Well atleast i get a bigger emotional response from a high end system than when i listen to music on the PC. But i guess you would have to be an audiophile to understand

Well, I guess that if I had paid $30,000 for a hifi system I would be pretty sure that it's much better than cheap system. Nothing anybody else says would make me think otherwise. Admitting that cheap systems sound nearly as good would make me look like a fool ...

But go ahead, enjoy your system. I don't envy you or oliver at all ... I'm perfectly satisfied with my own system. I'm even thinking of downgrading to a digital Logitech 5.1 system ...

Lindsay Lohan wrote: If you want GOOD quality for a cheap price...get a VINYL player it can outbeat CD players on over 3 times the price

See my first post. Vinyl is not better than CD in real life. I'll happily accept any slight differences between the original master and the CD if I in return get the luxury of not having to handle vinyl discs with all their mechanical shortcomings.

This is how I listen to music:

1. Turn the computer on.
2. Turn the hifi system on.
3. Start Winamp.
4. Select Album from the media library.
5. Go.

Lindsay Lohan wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: If you want GOOD quality for a cheap price...get a VINYL player it can outbeat CD players on over 3 times the price See my first post. Vinyl is not better than CD in real life. I'll happily accept any slight differences between the original master and the CD if I in return get the luxury of not having to handle vinyl discs with all their mechanical shortcomings. This is how I listen to music: Turn the computer on. Turn the hifi system on. Start Winamp. Select Album from the media library. Go. BLASPHEMY!

No, just reality. I ripped all my CDs to the computer in 192kbps WMA ... and soon I'll change that to WMA Lossless for my favorite albums. Combined with the right soundcard (Creative X-Fi) this results in a perfect copy of the CD.