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Posted: February 11 2006 at 16:42 |
I like this question.
I like to see how other musicians create music.
For me music is a feel, its a mood.
I use moods and feeling when writing my work.
I like to write what i would call concept rock as i like to tell a story from start to finish, so i work the story out and then see what moods and feelings are within the story and then write.
It can be hard, if i cant find something i like i put my guitar down and come back to it later, i never force things, i let them come to me.
When it comes to melodies for words or solos i leave this to anothet musician as i cant do it so i dont push it.
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chromaticism
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 10:41 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
I play instruments all day, i am an avid flute, piano and guitar player and i have been playing piano for my whole life and i know music like i know math!
But i cannot seem to create epic melodies, I can write songs easily, but i am never satisified with what comes out at the end...is there a formula people follow? How is it these people made such great music back in the 70's and 60's, what was it about them!?!
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Hello!
In a nutshell, the process by which I write music starts by having a concept first of what I want to write about. Once I have decided on what I want to write about, I start to conceptualize the music in my head including all the arrangements and instrumentation that would fit the theme. Afterwards, it's all jamming and improvising around by myself based on what I hear inside my head. When I'm happy with what I've just played, I try to seqeunce the drum parts immediately (to form the skeleton of the composition) then record all of the stuff that I can remember playing. Other details are added afterwards depending on what I get to think about later or when I think the composition lacks something. When it comes to pieces of epic proportion, I usually write them as separate components or movements first then I try to string them together in an attempt to make them as cohesive as possible.
Of course it's important that you educate yourself through reading and studying music theory, listening to good music and practicing technique on your respective instrument as this will form the basis of your technique in composition but this does not mean that you have to attach yourself strictly to the rules. Having rules help a lot but if you don't experiment, it will not sound fresh and you will not discover anything new. As an example, Liszt, Debussy, Ravel, even Bach did experiment with the rules of their present time and came up with something great (example of which is Bach's counterpoint method which I don't think strictly followed counterpoint rules set by Fux). It would be good to remember that without a basic working foundation, you cannot experiment or improvise, so it's best that at least you get yourself some working and practical knowledge on music theory. It's an advantage if you have opportunities to take college-level music classes but it doesn't mean that without formal training you can't compose (I for one am largely self-taught yet I can write music and so can Vangelis, Yngwie Malmsteen and Phil Collins for famous examples). A formulaic approach, such as that seen in classical music, is good but do not discount improvisation as an important tool.
I hope that gives you ideas that would help.
Edited by chromaticism
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jesperz
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 05:13 |
This is a pretty good question for songwriters and musicians...
Usually, we would have something in mind like a genre, the style you
want to create, so you will have influences. You dig into these
influences and keep listening, soon you will have this style in your
mind...
As you were doing nothing or some boring brain dead stuff, U'll feel
and think of something. Suddenly a melody or a riff floating around in
your mind. That is the soul of your music, your feelings during that
particular time about some thoughts. However, DO NOT FORCE TUNE OUT
FROM YOUR HEAD! ;)
For me, i will write down the melody or riff in a manuscript book as i don't want to lose that and
because that during that time, I will be feeling strongly about the
melody/riff, I'll somehow feeling the background music playing along
with the tune in my mind.
The background music will somehow be very much similar your influences
and therefore becomes your references. Write them down... It will help
you to feel the music even more..
Sit down behind your instrument, or maybe get a tape recorder, midi
sequencer program to assist you in your demo. Get a piece of paper and
write down your sections of your music which you think you want to
expand. Get your references and compare them to yours in terms of feel.
Maybe you can add a similar style into your music but not the whole
chunk! That's copying! =P Now, the soul has its physical body.
Soon, after writing the expanded version or maybe the whole song of
your music soul, get your band(if you have one) or maybe get A band to
play it for you. Let them listen to the demo, getting the feel, and
record it.
So there you have it, a full band demo. However, its not done yet,
cause you want to share your music to your targeted audience.
Thats when internet gets handy. Spread around, asking their feedback,
what they feel about the music. Do take note of what they say, doesn't
matter if it is a compliment or critique. I feel that critique is
better than compliment as it guide you to writting a better kind of
music. Amend if possible if not, take note of these feedbacks and next
time when you write, u will know what the song needs. Constantly
writing and testing it out on your target audiences will work alot.
Keep trying and do not fear failure as they are your guide to
success... Just like Thomas Edison made Electric Lightbulbs come to
life!
I strongly emphasize, forcing a tune out from your head or go according
to a formula will not get you anywhere. Audiences will find out that it
is a cold or a song without a soul. Therefore crap is produced. I've
been there before and i tested... It is true.. A song without soul...
Hope this makes sense to you. This is my method of writing songs... =)
Cheers man!
Z'
Edited by jesperz
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: February 18 2006 at 23:30 |
To answer your question, I write lyrics first, create a rhythym second, and tinker with how i want it to soundn third.
The melodies seems to fall into place when this is complete becasue ive usually accomplished the most of melody, if not all of it, by writing the lyrics.
Ive been riting stories and poems all my life, so its easy for me to express my feelings in an emotional way.
Honestly, im not concerned playing like Blackmore, Paige, Malasteem, Vai, Eddie Van Halen, or Stevie Ray Vaughn. Im more concerned with a song asa whole, then the guitarwork, although it is a vital part of any good ballad.
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Gary the Ghoul
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Posted: February 25 2006 at 12:35 |
I try to picture a riff in my head before making a song,then i try to build a melody on that riff,then another riff,and so on
and i rely heavily on keyboards when making songs,'cause they're such an all-around instrument
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DualXP
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 21:52 |
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If I had a puppy I would name it Tessa so it would cooperate well.
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Tool/Rush/Mars
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Posted: March 01 2006 at 00:07 |
I just find me a drummer, plug my guitar in and play whatever the hell I want. THen if something sounds good, i tend to repeat it for a while and repeat it.
I then give it rain and sun and watch it grow.
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Guashmin
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 11:12 |
I have the great fortune to be able to write symphonic prog at the early age of 18.
When I write a song I usually compose it on a piano or a guitar, and then I trip myself all the possible instruments that the song might have, then I do the arreangements on my head and bring them to life with a keyboard. After all this process the song becomes a scene. You know like Hendrix used to said that he could see colours with his music. I see scenes in my music, and this scenes becomes a story, a phantasmagorical story kind of like a dream with various acts. Unfortunately here in Guatemala dont aprecciate prog music (they dont even know it exist) so I have to keep all of my escenes and dreams inside of me.
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For most it does not come easily
For some it comes with pain
From a thought to a living sight
For some it's a life for some a game
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Fede
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 22:06 |
I'm making a song. But I'm drummer so I did just the drum part . I'll do the melody of the song. So far it's a prog metal song and I realize because of the drum.
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