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Easy Livin 
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 Posted: March 03 2006 at 17:22 |
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Maybe in the future PA should allow our official reviewers to revisit some of their old stuff. 
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 17:26 |
Easy Livin wrote:
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Maybe in the future PA should allow our official reviewers to revisit some of their old stuff.
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They do have that facility.
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Fine! 
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 17:29 |
sbrushfan wrote:
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Yes's review had gone. ELO's review was slightly edited since it says something about the songs. IMO, the review doesn't make much regardless. It'd take a LOT of editing work to make it make sense.
Opeth's review to be edited (maybe).  PLEASE? Dream Theater joining Opeth? HUH? Talk about a mindf**k.
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Editing, SB... and getting more opinions from other Collabs. 
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 19:39 |
Hi, sorry if any offence caused by my review of Crime of the Century. I must confess, this was my first review of an album after being an avid watcher of this site for quite some time. Admittedly, four listens is often not enough to fully appreciate any album, especially a prog album, yet I really tried with this one but four listens was the most I could manage before feeling the need to make my feelings heard. I feel bad now because I caused offence! I belived that Roger Hodgson was the piano player from info I gained from this site, but now I appreciate that I should maybe research a bit more before doing reviews. Cheers.
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 19:42 |
getinvolved2006 wrote:
Hi, sorry if any oiffence caused by my review of Crime of the Century. Must confess, this was my first review of an album after being a watcher of this site for quite some time. Admittedly, four listens is often not enough to fully appreciate any album, especially a prog album, yet I really tried with this one but four listens was the most I could manage before feeling the need to make my feelings heard. Feel bad now because I caused offence! I belived that Roger Hodgson was the piano player from info I gained from this site, but now I appreciate that I should maybe research a bit more before doing reviews. Cheers. |
Be welcome, Get!
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Posted: March 04 2006 at 05:11 |
Well done getinvolved2006, it was good of you to come onto the forum and offer your explanation.
We all have to start somewhere.
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Posted: March 04 2006 at 12:58 |
It is a fair review but unless a good soul appears to translate it will go to the limbo - i.e., gone the text, remains the rating.
BTW, if it were to use an on-line translator I could do it; if it were to make a rough translation I could do it too.
AIN SOPH "Marine Menagerie"
Review (Permanent link) by Ignacio Millán Gómez
Posted 12:39:48 PM EST, 3/4/2006
Ain Soph no es, que digamos, uno de esos grupos demasiado conocidos dentro de la linea de grupos de rock progresivos que podamos conocer de primera mano. Es evidente que cuando a uno le aconsejan escuchar algo de este estilo de música que proliferó abundantemente desde comienzos hasta mediados de los 70, se le indiquen los grupos pioneros y punteros que contribuyeron a ensalzar un estilo a lo más alto del panorama musical del siglo XX.
Siendo, por tanto, Ain Soph un grupo de músicos no pertenecientes a esta categoría es siempre dado a conocer - o uno a toparse con él - cuando suele haberse escuchado la gran generación anterior.
Que grupos como Génesis, Crimson o Van der Graaf han marcado una época por ser cada uno abanderado de una gran calidad musical y un estilo propio distinto es incuestionable.De la misma manera, si nos paramos a escuchar Ain Soph llegamos a la misma conclusión pues, aun no siendo de los primeros posee también bandera.
Ain Soph llega unos años después de la mejor época del rock progresivo. Es más, llega posiblemente en la peor época de la música del siglo XX, los años 80. Paradójicamente Ain Soph entra a contratiempo, instalándose como grandioso grupo de música en una época de sequía. Ahí quedan sus dos primeros discos en 6 años para aquellos que quieran escuchar a este grandioso cuarteto japonés.
Su tercer disco, Marine Menagerie (1991), puede que sea uno de los mejores discos de las últimas décadas. Tuve la suerte no hace mucho de poder escucharlo con detenimiento. Marine Menagerie son de esos discos que mientras uno lo intelige por primera vez empieza a darse cuenta que esta ante algo grande, muy grande. La segunda y posteriores veces que lo escuchas ya lo haces por la maravillosa sensación de escuchar a unos soberbios músicos.
El estilo que impregna la obra podría ser catalogada dentro del jazz/fusion, aunque esto es lo de menos. Desde el primer tema "Wind & Water" hasta la grandiosa "Metronome 7/8" es menester destacar todos. Cada uno contiene su propia riqueza, y el virtuosismo y el buen hacer de estos músicos no deja de sorprender en todo el disco.
En definitiva, estamos ante músicos de mucha, mucha calidad haciendo música magistral en un disco, que si se me permite la barbaridad, un humilde aficionado a la música considera entre los 10 mejores de la historia del rock progresivo.
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 18:42 |
Atkingani wrote:
It is a fair review but unless a good soul appears to translate it will go to the limbo - i.e., gone the text, remains the rating.
BTW, if it were to use an on-line translator I could do it; if it were to make a rough translation I could do it too.
AIN SOPH "Marine Menagerie"
Review (Permanent link) by Ignacio Millán Gómez
Posted 12:39:48 PM EST, 3/4/2006
Ain Soph no es, que digamos, uno de esos grupos demasiado conocidos dentro de la linea de grupos de rock progresivos que podamos conocer de primera mano. Es evidente que cuando a uno le aconsejan escuchar algo de este estilo de música que proliferó abundantemente desde comienzos hasta mediados de los 70, se le indiquen los grupos pioneros y punteros que contribuyeron a ensalzar un estilo a lo más alto del panorama musical del siglo XX.
Siendo, por tanto, Ain Soph un grupo de músicos no pertenecientes a esta categoría es siempre dado a conocer - o uno a toparse con él - cuando suele haberse escuchado la gran generación anterior.
Que grupos como Génesis, Crimson o Van der Graaf han marcado una época por ser cada uno abanderado de una gran calidad musical y un estilo propio distinto es incuestionable.De la misma manera, si nos paramos a escuchar Ain Soph llegamos a la misma conclusión pues, aun no siendo de los primeros posee también bandera.
Ain Soph llega unos años después de la mejor época del rock progresivo. Es más, llega posiblemente en la peor época de la música del siglo XX, los años 80. Paradójicamente Ain Soph entra a contratiempo, instalándose como grandioso grupo de música en una época de sequía. Ahí quedan sus dos primeros discos en 6 años para aquellos que quieran escuchar a este grandioso cuarteto japonés.
Su tercer disco, Marine Menagerie (1991), puede que sea uno de los mejores discos de las últimas décadas. Tuve la suerte no hace mucho de poder escucharlo con detenimiento. Marine Menagerie son de esos discos que mientras uno lo intelige por primera vez empieza a darse cuenta que esta ante algo grande, muy grande. La segunda y posteriores veces que lo escuchas ya lo haces por la maravillosa sensación de escuchar a unos soberbios músicos.
El estilo que impregna la obra podría ser catalogada dentro del jazz/fusion, aunque esto es lo de menos. Desde el primer tema "Wind & Water" hasta la grandiosa "Metronome 7/8" es menester destacar todos. Cada uno contiene su propia riqueza, y el virtuosismo y el buen hacer de estos músicos no deja de sorprender en todo el disco.
En definitiva, estamos ante músicos de mucha, mucha calidad haciendo música magistral en un disco, que si se me permite la barbaridad, un humilde aficionado a la música considera entre los 10 mejores de la historia del rock progresivo.
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While I can appreciate that, why keep a rating for a review that no longer exists? IMO, it seems antithetical to the whole process of writing/posting a review. Hell; that's merely an opinion.
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 18:50 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Maybe in the future PA should allow our official reviewers to revisit some of their old stuff.
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They do have that facility.
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I don't.........yet.
And there two reviews at least that I want to redo.
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 19:11 |
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 Proto-Prog
(Studio Album, 1967)
Avg: 4.19/5
from 32 ratings
Review (Permanent link) by Bruno Geraidine
Posted 11:53:07 PM EST, 3/2/2006
 I fail to see the genial music of the Beatles, I fail to see their so important influence over the rock and roll universe, I fail to see the masterpiece that is made of this album. It is not truly ahead of their time; Pink Floyd's debut in the same year was just very close to the ''achievements'' of this album, and even closer to progressive music. This album is entirely filled of mediocre pop songs, with poors arrangements, and mainstream purposes, as well as all other beatles' albuns. Experimentalism? A Reprise is a waste of time, I think, if you want, just listen again to the track, it does not require to occupy 2 tracks with the same song. Apart from the fact that this guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about, I think ths 'review' doesn't meet any PA-standards and should be removed. |
Much more a matter to be posted in our forums than to make a review. Review to be erased, rating to remain.
Thanx, Guzz.
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I can't believe that this is deleted!!! Whats wrong with it exactly?
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 19:36 |
Snow Dog, although many of us know very well the work of the Beatles , even so the PA guidelines are strict; the reviewer shall say something about the songs and if the reviewer make such a statement like: "mediocre pop songs, with poors arrangements, and mainstream purposes, as well as all other beatles' albuns", he has to explain it more accurately in his review or simply post in the Forum as a matter for discussion.
There is also a great number of youngsters that know few about the work of the Beatles and I think they shall receive precise and impartial information to decide if they will like them or not. 
I gave this reviewer the opportunity to improve his review and I'm even ready to receive his new review in his own language - I'll do the translation; which is not a problem since he is a Brazilian too. 
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:49 |
 Prog Related
(Studio Album, 1984)
Avg: 2.71/5
from 21 ratings
Review (Permanent link) by Zachary Lore
Posted 11:11:58 PM EST, 3/6/2006
 I'm quite surprised at how low the ratings for this album have been. Released in response to the hiatus in Pink Floyd, About Face reveals that Gilmour not Waters was in fact the Floyd master of melody. While the album lacks Waters' biting lyrics and an omnious concept, it more than makes up for it with a wonderful variety of musical styles, melodious vocals, and of course soaring guitar licks. Every track on the album is good and a few songs most notably Murder and Near the End are great. Pete Townshend contributes heart wrenching lyrics to Love on the Air and All Lovers Are Deranged both of which are complimented with Gilmour's powerful musical personality. Certainly not known for his lyrical abilities, Gilmour does manage himself to pen moving lyrics such as Murder which expresses Gilmour's sorrow and rage toward the assassination of John Lennon. Out of the Blue and Cruise display Gilmour's fear and disapproval of nuclear proliferation, and You Know I'm Right reveals his frustration and irreconsiliable differences with his former band mate Roger Waters. However, the album's best feature is the music itself particulary Gilmour's emotional guitar solos. The climax of the album most appropriately appears at the end with Near the End. Not only is the song itself hauntingly beautiful, but Gilmour's acoustic and electric guitar soloing at the end of the song is simply epic and ranks among the best fret work he has every done which is saying a hell of a lot. While it is not quite as good as Gilmour's solo debut album(a neglected classic) nor is it as progressive as Pink Floyd was in the early 70s, About Face is still an excellent rock album flowing with as much or even more melody as most any Floyd album. Highly recommended.
I THINK THIS PERSON HAS NOT UNDERSTOOD THE MEANING OF THE STARS RATING....
RECOMMENDS A 1-STAR ALBUM WHAT IS THIS?
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 00:53 |
I'm afraid I must stand behind my original 1-star rating of Banco's live album "Capolinea".
If one looks at the other reviews, it's apparent that I "nailed it on the head". I mentioned the attempt to "Disco-fy" their old sound. Even the one reviewer who gave the album three stars heaped very faint praise on the effort.
The reason I listened only once to the album? I had a deal with the record store where I bought the LP; a friend of mine worked there and would let me bring stuff back ONLY if I brought it back within a day...
I have bestowed 1-star ratings on very few albums here; this one deserves it, not only for its (lack of) quality, but for the dreadful feeling that I carried around for days after hearing it (one of my favorite bands has forsaken intelligent, powerful music to do DISCO?!?!).
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 02:00 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Guzzman wrote:
 Proto-Prog
(Studio Album, 1967)
Avg: 4.19/5
from 32 ratings
Review (Permanent link) by Bruno Geraidine
Posted 11:53:07 PM EST, 3/2/2006
I fail to see the genial music of the Beatles, I fail to see their so important influence over the rock and roll universe, I fail to see the masterpiece that is made of this album. It is not truly ahead of their time; Pink Floyd's debut in the same year was just very close to the ''achievements'' of this album, and even closer to progressive music. This album is entirely filled of mediocre pop songs, with poors arrangements, and mainstream purposes, as well as all other beatles' albuns. Experimentalism? A Reprise is a waste of time, I think, if you want, just listen again to the track, it does not require to occupy 2 tracks with the same song. Apart from the fact that this guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about, I think ths 'review' doesn't meet any PA-standards and should be removed. |
Much more a matter to be posted in our forums than to make a review. Review to be erased, rating to remain.
Thanx, Guzz.
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I can't believe that this is deleted!!! Whats wrong with it exactly?
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 Me neither Snow Dog.
Atkingani wrote:
Snow Dog, although many of us know very well the work of the Beatles , even so the PA guidelines are strict; the reviewer shall say something about the songs and if the reviewer make such a statement like: "mediocre pop songs, with poors arrangements, and mainstream purposes, as well as all other beatles' albuns", he has to explain it more accurately in his review or simply post in the Forum as a matter for discussion.
Almost always agree with you Atkingani, but in this case I have to go with SNOW DOG, I don't see any reason to delete this review.
I'm not sure if The Beatles should even be here, but it's OK, they are and there's nothing we can do about, at least Abbey Road is close enough.
But this doesn't mean we have to consider them sacred cows and give only 5 stars ratings. This album is full of poppy tracks, (The Title Song, With a Little Help of my Friends, She's Leaving Home, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds -Pop enough to be played by Elton John-). When I'm Sixty Four is less than mediocre IMO, if any other band would have recorded it, nobody would ever care about that song.
There is also a great number of youngsters that know few about the work of the Beatles and I think they shall receive precise and impartial information to decide if they will like them or not.
There are thousand of youngsters that haven't heard Pink Floyd, but nobody says a thing about this review for example:
PINK FLOYD Dark Side of the Moon
Review (Permanent link) by Drew @ 10:54:30 AM EST, 10/14/2005
 — Amazing. One of the albums that got me into Progressive Music- if not THE one. Relaxing, Pshycadellic, Crazy, beautiful, - so much more. Pink Floyd will always be kown for this album. It is their cornerstone- Dark Side is their Masterpiece. If you don't own this- why? Great lyrics, great music- near almost perfect! |
Is this because Pink Floyd is respected and Drew gave 5 stars???? Sorry for Drew, but this review says absolutely nothing about Dark Side of the Moon and helps nobody, except the ego of Pink Floyd fanboys (I also gave this album 5 stars, so it's not a problem with the rating), just read, out of 48 words you can find 16 adjectives describing how great is the album:
- Amazing
- Relaxing
- Psychadelic
- Crazy
- Much more
- Great Lyrics
- Great music
- Beautiful
- Cornerstone
- Masterpiece
- Almost perfect
Not a single word about the music, album or anything not even someting remotely related with an argument, only cliche adjectives about the album.
Millions of youngsters haven't heard about Triumvirat, but how in hell does this review helps anybody?
TRIUMVIRAT Spartacus
Review (Permanent link) by Rich @ 2:00:52 AM EST, 5/17/2004
 — For punchless ELP clones look no further.Heartless souless music that is the 'zombie' of prog rock.If I had a choice of one album that should be obliterated from the universe then this would be it. |
Maybe this aberration is allowed because Triumvirat is not as holy and untouchable as The Beatles? This is crap pure and simple, but who cares? It's only a semi obscure German band.
I believe Atkingani that there are different rules for different bands, with a single problem, The Beatles are hardly Prog and Triumvirat are 100% Prog', even if some people hate them, they must admit it's a 100% Prog band.
I gave this reviewer the opportunity to improve his review and I'm even ready to receive his new review in his own language - I'll do the translation; which is not a problem since he is a Brazilian too.
I would never have given only one star to Sgt Peppers, I believe it's a good album but highly overrated (2.5 maybe 3 stars IMO), if I have to choose I'd stay any day with Their Satanic Majesties Request at any moment even when it's more than inspired in Sgt Pepper's (Sometimes the copy is better than the original).
You say no tracks are mentioned, I have showed you at least two reviews in which no track is mentioned but remain in Prog Archives, and just in case.......there's no rule or guideline that forces anybody to mention tracks.
The review is not great I agree, but good enough to stay here, the guy has made some good points, his rating is absurd but what the hell, it's his opinion.
If you want all reviews to mention every track, well, include it in the guidelines (Even when my style is mentioning track by track, I believe everybody is free to have his own style), but the same rules should be applied to each and every band and reviiew.
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EDIT: Just in case, I read all the guidelines this is the pertinent part:
6 - Try to write reviews that will be of real use and interest to other progressive music fans, who can benefit by finding new avenues for their musical exploration. Consider aspects which will be of interest to the reader such as the style of music, notable influences, similar bands, best tracks (don’t just say "this album is brilliant", explain what you like about it), production quality, musicians involved, album history, We suggest you listen to an album several times before writing a review. It can take a number of listens to Prog albums in particular to begin to appreciate the music.
No rule has been broken by the review deleted, the word TRY is conditional.
But the guy talks about style, genre, influences and even mentions at least one track (unnecesarilly repeated with what I agree).
I have seen hundreed of worst reviews that are still here.
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 04:08 |
Just to make it clear, reviews are never deleted because of the reviewers opinion. If someone feels a Beatles album deserves 1 star fair enough, there is no problem at all with that.
In the case of the Sgt. Pepper review, the reviewer is primarily making general points about the Beatles importance, rather than discussing in any detail the content of the album. It is misleading to quote old reviews by comparision, bacause
a) Every review is assessed on its own merits
b) The old reviews mentioend above were posted before the checks were introduced. The cehcing of old reviews is an ongoing process
In answer to other points above:
SBF - BY leaving the raing, it allows us to post a translated version later, shoudl someone come up with one
SD - PM M@X and he'll sort you out
soundsweird - Well done for responding to the comments on your review.
Ivan - The DSOTM & Triumverat reviews will be dealt with, they are poor. It is a futile argument though to say "this one is worse, so let the other one stay".
The same rules apply to all reviews and bands Ivan. Atkingani and I try to be as consistent as possible, and only delete a very small proportion of reviews. We send a lot of e-mails with suggestions to reviewers on how they could improve future reviews, while leaving their current reviews in situ.
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 08:05 |
Only adding that when a review is deleted or edited, the reviewer receives a communication so he/she can redo or improve his/her review. The deletion and/or editing isn't a dead end but may be a re-beginning.
EDIT: I personally cannot change a rating and never ask the reviewer to do that. The only suggestion I do is about the review text itself.
Also, any comments by our forum comrades in order to improve the Reviews Moderation are also evaluated and I'd like to thank you all for posting here and helping us.
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 08:07 |
razifa wrote:
Prog Related
(Studio Album, 1984)
Avg: 2.71/5
from 21 ratings GILMOUR, DAVID "About Face "
Review (Permanent link) by Zachary Lore
Posted 11:11:58 PM EST, 3/6/2006
I'm quite surprised at how low the ratings for this album have been. Released in response to the hiatus in Pink Floyd, About Face reveals that Gilmour not Waters was in fact the Floyd master of melody. While the album lacks Waters' biting lyrics and an omnious concept, it more than makes up for it with a wonderful variety of musical styles, melodious vocals, and of course soaring guitar licks. Every track on the album is good and a few songs most notably Murder and Near the End are great. Pete Townshend contributes heart wrenching lyrics to Love on the Air and All Lovers Are Deranged both of which are complimented with Gilmour's powerful musical personality. Certainly not known for his lyrical abilities, Gilmour does manage himself to pen moving lyrics such as Murder which expresses Gilmour's sorrow and rage toward the assassination of John Lennon. Out of the Blue and Cruise display Gilmour's fear and disapproval of nuclear proliferation, and You Know I'm Right reveals his frustration and irreconsiliable differences with his former band mate Roger Waters. However, the album's best feature is the music itself particulary Gilmour's emotional guitar solos. The climax of the album most appropriately appears at the end with Near the End. Not only is the song itself hauntingly beautiful, but Gilmour's acoustic and electric guitar soloing at the end of the song is simply epic and ranks among the best fret work he has every done which is saying a hell of a lot. While it is not quite as good as Gilmour's solo debut album(a neglected classic) nor is it as progressive as Pink Floyd was in the early 70s, About Face is still an excellent rock album flowing with as much or even more melody as most any Floyd album. Highly recommended.
I THINK THIS PERSON HAS NOT UNDERSTOOD THE MEANING OF THE STARS RATING....
RECOMMENDS A 1-STAR ALBUM WHAT IS THIS?
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Thanks, razifa, I'll contact the reviewer.
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 08:21 |
@ Ivan .....Great research job and I agree with you 100%
@Reviews Moderators....I still don't see how that Sgt Pepper review is against the giuidelines (as Ivan pointed out) No need for a major disagreement on this,but if this is the way of things its very worrying for me. Its hard enough writing reviews without someone shouting foul because you forgot specifically to mention something!
What are we coming to here? When I brought to youe attenrion some very offrnsive ELP reviews, they were deemed ok......simply because they had been discussed before!!!
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 11:20 |
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 Psychedelic/Space Rock
(Studio Album, 1972)
Avg: 4.25/5
from 4 ratings
Review (Permanent link) by ASHLEY
Posted 11:13:48 AM EST, 3/7/2006
THIS LP WAS PRESSED BUT NOT RELEASED ON THE PRETEXT THAT THE STATE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH CARD TO MAKE THE SLEEVES. THE BAND MEMBERS MANAGED TO FIND SOME ROLLS OF STEEL FOIL ( ALMOST LIKE THICK BACO FOIL ) AND WITH THE HELP OF CONTACTS MADE THE SLEEVES FROM THESE , WHICH LEFT THE AUTHORITIES WITHOUT AN EXCUSE TO DISTRIBUTE THE LPS. ASH |
I must have missed the part where this guy was reviewing the album itself.
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 11:43 |
Easy Livin wrote:
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Ivan - The DSOTM & Triumverat reviews will be dealt with, they are poor. It is a futile argument though to say "this one is worse, so let the other one stay".
The same rules apply to all reviews and bands Ivan.
Easy Living, you also know I always agreed with you about the quality of the reviews, and as you might remember, I'm also one of the members who has asked for improvement in our standarts.
Yes, this review is general and vague, but IMO it's clear enough and much better than at least 30% of he existing ones. The guy clearly states Beatles and Sgt Pepper's are overrated (As band and album) that some songs are poppy (something with what I agree 100%) and that some are mediocre (what I also believe).
But there's no big deal, if you consider it must be kept away, "no hay problema"  I'm happy that you and Atkingani are in charge because both are very honest persons, but the wife of Caesar must not only be honest, she must look honest to everybody.
The deleting of this review starts with one guy saying that the reviewer doesn't know a thing avout The Beatles (Probably a Beatles fanvboy) and sadly you made echoe of him, I believe deleting this review is forcing to much the paramethers of guidelines, especially when we are full of crappy reviews some even offensive that should be wiped first.
This review is not bad enough to be deleted, I know Sgt Peppers for a long time and still nelieve the guy makes some good points. Easy Living you've been dealing with offensive or clearly futile reviews, but still you tried by all means to avoid deleting reviews without a very powerful reason.
I believe that if we read the guidelines and make a literal interpretation, 80% of the reviews would be deleted.
Atkingani and I try to be as consistent as possible, and only delete a very small proportion of reviews. We send a lot of e-mails with suggestions to reviewers on how they could improve future reviews, while leaving their current reviews in situ.
Yes Easy Living, but if this review is deleted, I believe there are easily 300 that should alsoo be erased for better reasons and the reviewers banned, and this would be a chaos.
But again I respect yor decision and if any of you stands on it I won't say another word, because the last thing I want is to create a problem around a less than average review (But still IMO honest and adecquate enough to stay).
Peace
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