Vinyl vs. CD

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   Are there any vinyl junkies out there? I still have my LP collection that I amassed during the 70`s and 80`s and I still play them on my old Micro-Seiki turntable, athough I`ve changed the cartridge and stylus more times than I can remember. I actually like to sit with the album sleeve in my hand and watch the disc go around and don`t mind getting up to flip sides. I think that old anolog recordings which were originally released on vinyl sound tinny and overproduced and lack the warmth and depth when transferred to CD using modern methods. How many Dark Side Of The Moon remasters do we need?  As for the ticks and scratches, I tell people I listen to the music not the scratches. Anyone still living in the dark ages?

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Vibrationbaby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898	Topic: Vinyl vs. CD Posted: February 24 2004 at 11:34
	Are there any vinyl junkies out there? I still have my LP collection that I amassed during the 70`s and 80`s and I still play them on my old Micro-Seiki turntable, athough I`ve changed the cartridge and stylus more times than I can remember. I actually like to sit with the album sleeve in my hand and watch the disc go around and don`t mind getting up to flip sides. I think that old anolog recordings which were originally released on vinyl sound tinny and overproduced and lack the warmth and depth when transferred to CD using modern methods. How many Dark Side Of The Moon remasters do we need? As for the ticks and scratches, I tell people I listen to the music not the scratches. Anyone still living in the dark ages?

Marcelo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 15 2004 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 310	Posted: February 24 2004 at 11:53
	I remember my old vynil records with love, they carry me to special times, but actually I prefer the pure and crystalline sound over memories. I disagree about depth or warmth. By example, I've got some Italian prog cds transferred with the original vynil noise and, if I could, I would eliminate it searching the cleaner sound.

Alexander Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 237	Posted: February 24 2004 at 12:16
	I still collect Vinyl!
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Perry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: February 22 2004 Location: Russian Federation Status: Offline Points: 43	Posted: February 24 2004 at 12:35
	It's a pitty but I'm only 19 years old. But still I think (my experiance ist'n very big but I HAVE IT) vynil is more "romantic" and sound quality is more REAL. Sure, CD - more comfortable to use, less chances to brak it etc. BUT, we have to got a choice betwen this two formats, and now WE DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE, IMHO. Does anybody listen music on audio cassete? I'm joking. Persomally I dropt it a year and a half ago
	Let music make your life a little sweeter - Kim Simmonds

shark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: February 23 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 35	Posted: February 24 2004 at 17:38
	I still collect Lps and the number grows every month. Since I never could give this format up, I decided to do the honourable thing. I invested some money in a top quality turntable, cartridge and also bought a valve pre-amp just dedicated to the turntable. The result is awesome, to the point where I am sitting there in front of the Hi-Fi, smiling like a demented kid in a candy store. The flip-side though is that whenever I come across a poor quality recording (early Genesis LPs- no treble and far too much bass) the new system will expose all its faults mercilessly. But when it's good (any ECM vinyl will do),the end result is heavenly and far more enjoyable than CDs ever could be.

Glass-Prison Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 08 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 453	Posted: February 24 2004 at 18:12
	I, personally collect old records, if not for the cool cover art and lyric sheets, then the novelty. I have a variety of rare records that will be worth some amount of money in the not-too distant future, like a red-vinyl hemispheres, and so on. As for sound, I think CDs have a much finer quality than records, mostly due to the recording methods of the time. remasters eliminate all pop marks and background noise you find in vinyl recordings. however, for the above reasons, I choose to hunt down rare records at antique stores etc. The Novelty never wears out.

StarshipTrooper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 22 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 201	Posted: February 24 2004 at 18:59
	While I had the vinyl I used to love it. I got rid of the whole lot as I built up my cd collection. The thing is, with vinyl, you heard every small scratch and the sleeves occasionally came unglued. They looked ok when they were new, but as they got older and the kids use the covers as toy car racing tracks, the things looked tatty. For me, I prefer the quality of the cd and the neatness of the cd cover.


Verisimilitude Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 09 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 114	Posted: February 24 2004 at 19:02
	It's the novelty of the original sound vs the superior remastering of modern sound... LP's are something special... But if we're going to talk about special things, my dad's still got 300 odd reel-to-reel tapes that we yank out every now and again for a trip down memory lane... It's a novelty to say the least... I still prefer In A Gadda-Da-Vidda on LP than CD, but that's probably because I heard it on vinyl first and considered that the classic sound. Having never been in the situation of rebuying music because I first owned it on vinyl I can't give a compehensive opinion... However, CD's would be my prefered choice... On a side note I've been considering whether I should buy Tool on vinyl for a long time...

RobJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Groupie Joined: February 17 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43	Posted: February 24 2004 at 22:04
	I still have all my albums including original release Beatles' albums, and of course my old King Crimson and Yes records as well. They've been well stored over the years so I'm sure they are still ok, though none has been on a turn table in 20 years give or take. As to the sound, hmmmmm that's a tough one. I like things about both media really but it's hard to beat the convenience of CDs. Lots of bands still record to 2" 24 track tape in the studio and transfer it into the digital realm for editing in ProTools and then on to the mix and mastering processes. Analog sounds great is the reason (it's a natural tape compression thing that sounds so good), though digital is catching up slowly.

Dan Bobrowski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243	Posted: February 25 2004 at 11:09
	I traded all my old vinyl in back in 1987 for a song and a few CD's. I had over 700, now I own only one, "Road Games" from Allan Holdsworth. I held onto it because it wasn't released on CD until recently. I'm with RobJ on the convenience of CD's. I rarely listen to music on a home stereo. I'm either in my car or at my computer. Now "ARTWORK" is the real deal on the old records. Todays CD artwork is a far cry from some of the gorgeous covers of old. What do you think of the newly re-release KC back catalogue with the larger, more album like, jackets?

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: February 27 2004 at 21:24
	I still own my (vast) LP collection, and still listen to some of them. I agree that, setting aside the issue of "pops and clicks," there is a "warmth" to analog recording using tube amps that is missing from the "clinical" sound of CDs and digital equipment. In this regard, I don't consider digital recording "better" than vinyl, but simply "different." Some music transfers well from analog (LP) to digital (CD), giving a cleaner, crisper sound. However, some does not, and loses the "warmth" of the original recording. Also keep in mind that there are many albums that have never been transferred from analog (LP) to digital (CD), so those are records I have no choice but to play on my ancient, grumbling, but loyal Technics turntable. Sez I to myself...

Bellringer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 19 2004 Location: Hull, UK Status: Offline Points: 99	Posted: March 06 2005 at 17:03
	Maani brings up the point I was going to, which is that there's a lot of obscure stuff out there that's never been released on CD or maybe once many moons ago which has gone straight out of print. And besides, really great prog cover art isn't the same on CD; open out Yessongs on vinyl to it's full extent with your arms spread wide and you'll see what I mean. Besides which, there's one thing you can do with LPs that you can't with CD.... Anyone else ever own Monty Python's Matching Tie And Handkerchief on vinyl? Anyone else, like me, spend several minutes trying to get your needle to fall into the groove of the third side? Or how about turntables that don't have an automatic arm and which play the inner groove over and over and over and over and over....? I'm not obsessive about vinyl because the sound quality on CDs is, admittedly, usually better than vinyl, but I'll still look for stuff I know I'll probably never find on CD down at the second-hand bookshop and the record conventions. Wonder if anyone makes an incense flavour of "musty album cover?" There's nothing like that smell!
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Bellringer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 19 2004 Location: Hull, UK Status: Offline Points: 99	Posted: March 06 2005 at 17:06
	Oh, yeah, and how about this: Pulse on vinyl. Three discs and an album-sized version of the book that comes with the CD. Three different pictures by whoever did the cover art. Anybody else buy the first CD version with the pulsing LED light? Mine worked for almost five years.
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Syzygy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003	Posted: March 06 2005 at 17:10
	I had most of my LP collection stolen about 12 years ago - there's about 200 left, but they're all stashed away now as I no longer have a turntable. Cds have many advantages, but I really miss those gatefold sleeves and liner noted I could read without me specs on.
	'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom

Hangedman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: November 03 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1261	Posted: March 06 2005 at 17:14
	i still listen to and buy both, they both have thier advantages.

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: March 07 2005 at 02:59
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Vibrationbaby Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898	Posted: March 07 2005 at 12:52
	Wow a thread resurrected from the dead!

Man Erg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 26 2004 Location: Isle of Lucy Status: Offline Points: 7456	Posted: March 07 2005 at 13:08
	I still have around 2.000 vinyl albums. I play them only every now and then when I'm home alone as my turntable is in the living-room and can be a bit intrusive/anti-social.I have ump-teen CD/MD players scattered about various rooms and can listen to CDs/MDs wherever I like. I think that I'll have to make room in my den/studio for another turntable.Not under the thumb,just considerate. Edited by Man Erg
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Aaron Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 08 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 395	Posted: March 07 2005 at 14:35
	Man Erg, listen, let me carry the burden of all that vinyl, but you have to pay shipping Aaron

Ivan_Melgar_M Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557	Posted: March 07 2005 at 20:41
	For some of us just looking at our Vinyl collection is nostalgic, wemiss the great art covers and the emotion of searching everything to find some ineterstoing paper bag that protects the album or a panflet with the lyrics. But honestly I don't miss the scratches and having to buy the same album two or three times because it went almost unlisteneable, neither I miss having to tape the albums to cassetes in order to listen in the car with a much lower quality. I have excellent memory, and could remember exactly where each scratch was and that annoyed me, still today when I listen some album I'm expecting to listen the place where the needle jumped just to remember it's not a vinyl and feel relief for not having to hear that horrible sound. So I'll stay with the higher quality of the horrible CD. Iván Edited by ivan_2068