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Easy Livin 
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 Posted: March 04 2006 at 05:11 |
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Well done getinvolved2006, it was good of you to come onto the forum and offer your explanation. We all have to start somewhere. |
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Atkingani
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 19:42 |
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Be welcome, Get! |
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getinvolved2006
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Joined: March 03 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 19:39 |
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Hi, sorry if any offence caused by my review of Crime of the Century. I must confess, this was my first review of an album after being an avid watcher of this site for quite some time. Admittedly, four listens is often not enough to fully appreciate any album, especially a prog album, yet I really tried with this one but four listens was the most I could manage before feeling the need to make my feelings heard. I feel bad now because I caused offence! I belived that Roger Hodgson was the piano player from info I gained from this site, but now I appreciate that I should maybe research a bit more before doing reviews. Cheers.
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Atkingani
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 17:29 |
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Editing, SB... and getting more opinions from other Collabs. Edited by Atkingani |
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Atkingani
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 17:26 |
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Fine! Edited by Atkingani |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 17:22 |
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They do have that facility. |
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sbrushfan
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Joined: November 07 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1177 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 15:27 |
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Atkingani
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 14:20 |
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I've wandered through old reviews and noted that their quality have improved greatly specially in the case of veteran reviewers. In general, the first reviews are weak and timid growing as soon as the reviewers get experience and confidence - obviously this rule does not apply to fanboys and some odd types. Maybe in the future PA should allow our official reviewers to revisit some of their old stuff.
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 13:28 |
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Fair point Andea! Two wrongs however do not make a right. Bear in mind that many reviews by Prog Reviewers were written and posted before they became PRs. Most of us will have skeletons in our closets. Perhaps Rick would like to revisit his review? |
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andrea
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Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2064 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 13:17 |
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Only four listenings? The following review is from a "prog-reviewer"... what about it then? BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO Capolinea  — I seem to remember hearing (in 1979) that this live album was a commercial sellout, but I went ahead and bought it anyway. How bad is it? I listened to it ONCE (in utter disbelief, I might add), and immediately got rid of it. So, it's hard for me to remember exactly how each song was changed, but I do remember a distinct DISCO beat on at least one song. Of course, now we can all laugh and breathe a sigh of relief because that was long ago, and Banco (and PFM) have returned to their prog roots. But, at the time this was a very depressing development for my friends and me. I feel better having exorcised this demon. I don't want criticize anyone... Just let me know what do you think about this kind of reviews... Bye! |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20241 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 11:05 |
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I will not lose sleep over this review, though!!! |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 10:26 |
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Difficult one Hugues. As I've mentioned before, I (and my colleague Atkingani) can't patrol the accuracy of reviews, just the compliance with the guidelines. The problem as I see it is that members have no means of responding to reviews other than through the forum, which the reviewer may or may not participate in. This should be addressed to some extent when a common log-in to the reviews and forum is put in place. I'll e-mail the reviewer in this case drawing their attention to the comment in this thread. (I suppose since Hodgson is the guitarist then the assertion that he "is at best an adequate piano player" is probably true. |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 09:38 |
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 Art Rock (Studio Album, 1974) Avg: 4.49/5 from 72 ratings Review (Permanent link) by GetInvolved Posted 9:07:46 AM EST, 3/3/2006  After reading the reviews of this album I felt compelled to rush out and buy a copy, as I felt that it would fill a whole in my expanding prog collection. From the reviews I wasn't expecting pure prog rock, but a more gentle and simple style of music. What I wasn't expecting, however, was boredom.
After listening to this album four times, I cannot rouse any interest in it at all. It is by no means terrible, but after a year of listening to the greats such as Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull and King Crimson, I found the music on offer here so simple and unchallenging. Much of the music is piano driven, yet I feel Roger Hodgson is at best an adequate piano player. Many of the songs here seem based around the repetitive playing of keyboard or piano chords, which are simply layered upon one another to create the illusion of a complex song. The lyrics are unchallenging and uninteresting and many of the tracks seem devoid of direction or structure. The only track on this album worthy of any real mention is Dreamer, which at least has a fairly interesting sound. However, this song is typical of the entire album as it simply consists of layers of bog-standard keyboard chords repeated over and over. ____________________________________________________
The man is entitled to his opwn opinions of course, even after only four listenings , but unchallenging lyrics to a superb concept album and the only interesting song being the least prog one of them all (Dreamer) and telling us that Hodgson is the piano player when he is the guitarist (and also plays some KB) Should we not mail him about such a hastily written review? If there is one album that has a clear structure and musical direction COTC is it!! No matter how prog it is |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Atkingani
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: March 03 2006 at 08:01 |
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Much more a matter to be posted in our forums than to make a review. Review to be erased, rating to remain. Thanx, Guzz. Edited by Atkingani |
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Guzzman
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Posted: March 03 2006 at 03:08 |
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(Studio Album, 1967) Avg: 4.19/5 from 32 ratings Review (Permanent link) by Bruno Geraidine Posted 11:53:07 PM EST, 3/2/2006 
I fail to see the genial music of the Beatles, I fail to see their so important influence
over the rock and roll universe, I fail to see the masterpiece that is made of this album.
It is not truly ahead of their time; Pink Floyd's debut in the same year was just very
close to the ''achievements'' of this album, and even closer to progressive music. This
album is entirely filled of mediocre pop songs, with poors arrangements, and
mainstream purposes, as well as all other beatles' albuns. Experimentalism? A Reprise is
a waste of time, I think, if you want, just listen again to the track, it does not require
to occupy 2 tracks with the same song.Apart from the fact that this guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about, I think ths 'review' doesn't meet any PA-standards and should be removed. |
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Atkingani
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 18:00 |
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Yes's review had gone. ELO's review was slightly edited since it says something about the songs. Opeth's review to be edited (maybe). |
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sbrushfan
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 17:25 |
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Well, I can safely say that the review needs a LOT more punctuation.
How about these? Talk about making someone confused.
 Symphonic Prog (Live, 1985) Avg: 2.27/5 from 11 ratings YES "9012 Live: The Solos " I put it down tender, given that it insults not. But how it is done to make to die a myth in this manner? That are necessary there it was to do to go out this live? To promote the VHS? It was better to do less than a like one found. Also because already "90125" sufficed... I hope of not to have offended the fans of the Yes... But otherwise I do not know to review this product.For always yours, Mandrakeroot.
 Prog Related (Boxset / Compilation, 2003) Avg: 3.00/5 from 1 ratings ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA* "Strange Magic (Sonotec GMBH)"  This compilation is not too indicative to enter in the ELO world. In fact the pure "Rockabilly" of Rock'n'Roll Is King" or "Witness" (I swear that still now I believe have written by Bruce Springsteen!), the "pure Rock" "Do Ya" (Tom Petty or Bruce Springsteen, if you are beat us a blow), "Roll Over Beethoven" with his parts written by Beethoven, "The Last Train To London" best "Disco Music" and best radio success, or, still, the conclusive (and well-known) "Don't Bring Me Down" are not that a version of ELO. They are lacking, in this compilation, the references to the "Symphonic Prog", to the true "Art Rock" all typical things of the "false Prog" of the ELO. For the remainder not badly.For always yours, Mandrakeroot. And, while I'm firing on all cylinders...thius dude CAN'T be serious!
 OPETH Blackwater Park
Review (Permanent link) by Chinwag Shall We @ 7:33:04 AM EST, 11/29/2005  — BLACKWATER PARK by OPETH is a concept album, and their debut with DREAM THEATER. The album includes the presence of STEVEN WILSON, of PORCUPINE TREE who also influences the band. He is very innovative.Unlike OPETH's previous efforts(without STEVEN WILSON), this shows no sign of concept - the tracks are seperated and not tied up together like it was in MY ARMS YOUR HEARSE, and you have to read the lyrics to get the message, and sometimes even think about it yourself. The album tells us about the real, cruel, brutal world. It isn't just an imaginery story, because our today's world is really cruel and brutal, and real. Personally, I always imagine two little yellow-haired children going to a DEATH METAL concert. They are not special children, just normal two kids with yellow hair and love for true powerful music that possesses power. Of course, no story is without adventure and danger, and two children die during THE FUNERAL PORTRAIT and are buried during BLACKWATER PARK. The songs are very diverse, yet follow a certain depressing mood. They show deep influence of such bands such as KING CRIMSON. The lyrics are deep and meaningful, showing all aspects of today's cruel, brutal and real life. Yellow-haired kids who like DEATH METAL are confronted with lepers, who they are forced to enter winter naked with, and I think it is a very evil song, that shows how children must avoid strangers. Bleak, the second song, has STEVEN WILSON who sings together with OPETH LEADER. The ending is very violent, very real and brutal, and the parts in the middle sometimes make me cry, being so emotional. However, this is the only song where DREAM THEATER and OPETH sing together. This is explained by the difference in style of the two bands. Harvest has no DEATH METAL in it, and is a big surprise. It shows diversity, the genre has inherited from KING CRIMSON and ETC. The next two songs are also surprising, as DEATH METAL only appears only later. And the last two real songs are tragic and brutal, and they are full of DEATH METAL with powerful guitars. I also find it funny that the drummer is called "LOPEZ". I think that way OPETH try to say how they despise POP MUSIC, that was created by beatles and other stupid hippys. Overall, this is a masterpiece, very consistent and very diverse Edited by sbrushfan |
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Atkingani
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 17:18 |
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Incomprehensivible. I made a "little" edition, Ric... see if it's readable now. BTW, does someone know if this reviewer is also a PA member? Unfortunately I had to delete another review he did.
 Art Rock (Studio Album, 1969) Avg: 4.46/5 from 13 ratings HIGH TIDE "Sea Shanties"  I bought this album back in 69/70 because I kept being drawn to the cover got it home and it blew me away. Shot round to my mates and put it on his dad's expensive hi fi celestion speakers no less at it blew us both away.In truth, 2 tracks were the album 'Death warmed up', a phenomenal duel between guitar and Simon House on elec violin and what is in my top all time tracks ever 'Walking down their outlook', an amazing song with Jim Morrison type vocals. I am still trying to work out what the lyrics are all about I think it is about vampires in some way, ie, we shall live and never die. I lost the original vynil; it got nicked at a party somewhere. Managed to get hold of the cd on import about 8 yrs ago. I saw them live at Maidsone College in 70/71; they did not play one track of either their two albums of the time but were total hypnotic to watch and listen to. Edited by Atkingani |
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Ricochet
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 16:10 |
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(Studio Album, 1969) Avg: 4.46/5 from 13 ratings Review (Permanent link) by keith Posted 3:59:48 PM EST, 3/2/2006 
I bought this album back in 69/70 because I kept being drawn to the cover
got it home and it blew me awayshot round to my mates and put it on his dads exepensive hi fi celestion speakers no less at it blew us both away in truth 2 tracks were the album Death warmed up a phenomenal duel between guitar and simon house on elec violin and what is in my top all time tracks ever walking down lifes out look an amazing song with jim morrison type vocals I am still trying to work out what the lyrics are all about I thinkit is about vampires in some way ie we shall live and never die I lost the original vynal it got nicked at a party somewhere managed to get hold of the cd on import about 8 yrs ago I saw them live at maidsone college in 70/71 did not play one track of either thier two albums of the time but were total hypnotic to watch and listen two -------------------------- I don't really like this do you?  |
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Ricochet
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 16:05 |
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He'll have his word in Judgement day...
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getinvolved2006 wrote:
IMO, the review doesn't make much regardless. It'd take a LOT of editing work to make it make sense.
PLEASE? Dream Theater joining Opeth? HUH?
