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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2006 at 08:30
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2006 at 08:59

Is High Defination CD any better??

To be honest I can't always tell the difference between a Original CD and a Remastered CD.

There's something fishy about the new War of the Worlds - Jeff Wayne remaster, it could my imagination

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2006 at 09:14
I'm not sure about what you mean with "high definition".

There's a system called "Hdcd" which is real 20 bits.

This technology offers a better bandwidth but unfortunatly it doesn't means that all HDCD cds are good. It only garantee more details and hopefully dynamic. But it doesn't prevent from harshness.

Besides that yo have the new formats SACD and DVD audio which doesn't interest nobody.

They are potentially better (cause of 24 bits), but there are virtually no musical players using this technology yet.

Better turn on a high end musical classic Cd set up.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2006 at 09:21

Is SACD/DVD Audio any good??

There no synthetic sound or unoriginality??, be good if there wasn't.

Is any of the sound tweaked to get these formats spot on, or can they reproduce superb sound without harming the sound content in any way, like the original mixes and layout left alone??, which should be the case not tweaked at all!!

Sorry I'm getting to technical!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2006 at 09:44
SACD and DVD audio are theorically better cause the 24 bits technology (instead of 16 bits for the classic CD)enables better performances: which results in a wider bandwidth (it goes further in low and highs) and is simply superior on all criterias.
BUT this is theory and reality is that most of the players currently available sound less good than a good
classic player.
A well choosen -even 10 years old- classic player on a good system will satisfy you cause the issue is to get musical devices, put them together and to optimize the whole with accesories.

"they reproduce superb sound without harming the sound content in any way, like the original mixes and layout left alone??, "

If you want the original mix sound, only the vynil can does it.

Overall, numeric is crap and sound is trafficked, remixed, bumped, even more in the rock field than in jazz or classical i.e.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2006 at 09:58

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

SACD and DVD audio are theorically better cause the 24 bits technology (instead of 16 bits for the classic CD)enables better performances: which results in a wider bandwidth (it goes further in low and highs) and is simply superior on all criterias.

Actually the additional bits increase the dynamic range, not the frequency (lows and highs). The sampling frequency has also been increased (doubled) to 96khz, and that means that it is now more than four times more than what the human ear can sense (20khz).

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:



Overall, numeric is crap and sound is trafficked, remixed, bumped, even more in the rock field than in jazz or classical i.e.

In the end everything is numeric. After all, even on analog equipment you have quantification errors introduced by the magnetic head that reads/writes the information. People often claim that tape is superior to CD because there are much more magnetic particles which store the information than th number of bits on a CD. But they often forget that the magnetic head has a much lower resolution than that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2006 at 03:10
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

SACD and DVD audio are theorically better cause the 24 bits technology (instead of 16 bits for the classic CD)enables better performances: which results in a wider bandwidth (it goes further in low and highs) and is simply superior on all criterias.



Actually the additional bits increase the dynamic range, not the frequency (lows and highs). The sampling frequency has also been increased (doubled) to 96khz, and that means that it is now more than four times more than what the human ear can sense (20khz).


Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Overall, numeric is crap and sound is trafficked, remixed, bumped, even more in the rock field than in jazz or classical i.e.


In the end everything is numeric. After all, even on analog equipment you have quantification errors introduced by the magnetic head that reads/writes the information. People often claim that tape is superior to CD because there are much more magnetic particles which store the information than th number of bits on a CD. But they often forget that the magnetic head has a much lower resolution than that.



Nothing to do with the numbers of bits/particules.
It's pure imagination, Tape is better cause it's analog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2006 at 03:17
I'm sure that 50 years ago people rejected analog electronic amps for a long time, arguing that such a device must by definition sound "artificial" or "harsh".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2006 at 07:24
If so, they did the same mistake that people believing marketers claiming that CD is perfect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2006 at 07:26

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

If so, they did the same mistake that people believing marketers claiming that CD is perfect.

Rather the opposite. Some people believe everything that "technicians" say - some don't believe a word. And some others are in between ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2006 at 07:47
Theories are one thing, facts -listening tests- are another.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2006 at 16:44
Getting back to the Beatles, here's a discussion we've had over at the other forums I deal with.

Ok, we all know Sgt Pepper was miraculously done on 4 track. However most of the tracks were "bounced" from other 4 track machines, about 4 I think. So the theorey goes about doing a reconstruction of all existing seperate tracks to a 32 track master. If each track had been preserved in their seperate element.

I know some purists think it's best not to tamper with and just "let it be". But when the Beatles were recording SP, they should been upgraded to at least 8 track by that time. Hendrix was using 12 track then and I think EMI was just being tightwadish. In fact there was later discovered an 8 track machine in the basement of Abbey Road around '69. It had been there for 2 years 'til the Beatles and Geoff Emerick discovered it and had it finally installed. Hence why Abbey Road is the only full 8 track album the Beatles ever did. Baby You're A Rich Man and a few songs on the White Album were done at either Trident or Olympia Studios on 8 track.

Besides, reconsructing SP would give more leeway for doing a 5.1 mix. I listened to the 5.1 mix on the Yellow Submarine DVD and it sounded like crap. Everything was so out of balance.

Anyway, it's just food for thought.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2006 at 17:22

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Theories are one thing, facts -listening tests- are another.

I thought that you didn't accept listening tests?

Well, nevermind ... let's leave this thread to the Beatles, shall we?

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