Bruford says Jazz is best

danbo wrote: Polyrythms are the key. Many modern Prog Bands are missing that key ingredient. Too much 4/4 IMO.

I totally agree

To Bruford, jazz appears - rightly - as a progression. He is though, not a jazz drummer, more like a talented rock artist who appreciates the finer things and strives to be considered as one who can also deliver such thing....

He is no Chester Thompson though, Chester who can do practically anything in any genre.

I used to love Bruford's tight drumming until he opted for the electronic drum pads. After that he was history to me. It just doesn't have the warmth.

I am somewhat embarrassed to say that for many decades I ignored the talents of Ian Paice - yes, of Deep Purple. The guy could do a Buddy Rich any day - should he have the personal ambition.

Pierre Moerlen did manage to swing and qualify to be considered as a jazz artist, Bruford keeps trying. I still love his solo (Canterbury) releases with Holdsworth, Jeff Berlin, Dave Stewart, though.

Rorro wrote: danbo wrote: Polyrythms are the key. Many modern Prog Bands are missing that key ingredient. Too much 4/4 IMO. I totally agree

An example for a modern prog drummer that uses complex time signatures and polyrythms is the guy from The Mars Volta, which I can't bother to remember his name..... Can't ever remember all those latin names :P

     I've heard him say the same thing in other interviews, Bruford is
speaking here about training and education. Strictly in terms of what
facilitates the best technical development for a drummer, jazz is
essential, is what he's saying. It's not a qualitative assessment of genres,
as if jazz is better than rock or classical. That's just his opinion on what
brings the best technique. Certainly all the millions of rock drummers
don't develop into virtuosos...with some experience in jazz, they have a
better chance. Others, like Carl Palmer & Terry Bozzio, made their
education in classical percussion.

     But this is no different than saying that for keyboardists, the best
technical training is playing Bach's 2 and 3 part inventions, which few
people would deny. As for his attitude to Yes, in the DVD Yesteryears he
speaks very positively about the band and the experience, he was playing
at this reunion recently, and said he's very into his solo career now, but if
he were to play in a band again, it would be Yes. There's absolutely
nothing "snobby" about his attitude.

ivan_2068 wrote: This are the longest 20 Prog' minutes I ever seen: Yes 1968 - 1972 and 1991 for UNION Gong, Hatfield and the Noth and Genesis 1974 - 1977 Spirogyra 1971 - 1973 (Claims to be as guest, but this are all the albums of Spirogyra from the 70's and the band only released one more in 2000, so it sounds to me as a member) Steve Hackett One album (Genesis Revisited) UK 1977 - 1978 Steve Howe 1975 and 1979 ABWH 1989 - 1990 Chris Squire 1975 (Fish out of the Water)  Rick Wakeman 1973 (Six Wives of Henry the VIII) Even King Crimson which isn't either mainly a Fusion band, even when his style is very jazzy. 1973 - 1975 and 1982 - 1984

Where did you see Bruford anywherea Spyrogira album?

The drummer is Dave Mattacks (as guest while he was in Fairport and future Jethro Tull - one of my least liked drummer)

But Bruford is not mentioned in any of the three albums, or on the posthumous Burn The Bridge release

He did have a link with Spyrogyra's Barbara Gaskin in National health

Just in case, here is the lineup from Bells Boots & Shambles and Old Boot Wine:

CREDITS

Steve Borrell	Bass
Alan Laing	Cello
Bill Bruford	Drums
Spirogyra	Main Performer
Julian Cusack	Violin
Dave Mattacks	Drums
Rick Biddulph	Mandolin
Barbara Gaskin	Vocals
Dave Stewart	Keyboards
Martin Cockerham	Guitar

http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=98 1434 (Old Boot Wine in Musicmatch)

CREDITS

Dave Stewart	Keyboards
Steve Borrell	Bass
Alan Laing	Cello
Martin Cockerham	Guitar
Spirogyra	Main Performer
Bill Bruford	Drums
Julian Cusack	Violin
Dave Mattacks	Drums
Barbara Gaskin	Vocals
Rick Biddulph	Mandolin

http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=10 89344 (Bells, Boots & Shambles in Musicmatch)

Iván

Lindsay Lohan wrote: ^ Jon Thedore...the best drummer ever...regardless of what genre!

Thanks, hmmz that's not so hard to remember then... I thought it was another latin guy like rodrigez lopez santiago de rodrigo el montana.... or something like that..... he's a great drummer I agree............ mm..... best? I'm not that sure. He's great though... Wow there's some amazing drumming on Frances the Mute....

zabriskiepoint wrote: Rorro wrote: Tht's really relative, it's not strange, if you take in view that he (at least in yes) played in a jazzy way, but i don't know. I know a lot of drummers that says that jazz is the most difficult syle for a drummer, but i don't know if that's true 'cause i dont play drums. From my personal taste, i find that the most beautifull prog drumms are those who are very influenced by jazz, but... just my taste. Here in Uruguay there is this style called Candombe, a style where percusions are the most important part, and drummers from these lands says that Candombe is as difficult as Jazz.   hermano charruaaaa

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