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progrocks wrote: well there is alot of 18 year olds in here, so you would expect them to be into modern stuff. When they get older they will agree with me ;)

That is the most Ageist statement I have heard on hear. Just because you are older than me doesnt make you right, just as I am younger than you doesnt make me right.

I also think you are very wrong as you seem to have a very closed minded view on what makes a good album/band/genre. When I look for music I look for technical abilaty and creativaty as well as the abilaty to craft a good song, that is why prog is so appealing to me and why I wont have any trouble finding good, new music over the next few decades because talented musicians are allways poping up.

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I agree that this was a very ageist comments, but one thing older people do have advantage on younger people is than they were young before you were, thus giving them the experience (even making such "dumb" comments)

However the young have one major advantage on the old: YOUTH!!!!

Guess which side I am on

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@Sean Trane, I agree with you on what you are saying about reviewers needing considerably more experience of prog before they go right a review because how can you tell what is a masterpiece when the only album you have heard is Big Generator (I'm not sure but I bet its better than a lot of pop). For this reason I have stoped righting reviews because I couldnt honestly justify some of my rateings withought any real knoledg of the bands discogrophy and other bands in the genre. However there are always some albums that stand up above the rest, Metropolis Pt2 for me is one of them and there are a couple of others.

BTW as for TMV first album I found it a lot more focused than FTM and maybe even more agressive but I think it was pretty good. 

Ok, Sorry if i sound hurt, i missunderstood the aim of what you said, i wasn't defending myself, i was just giving another point of view. Now i understand what you call a masterpiece, and from this definition of a masterpiece i agree with you that Hybris is not a masterpiece, and we'll have to see FTM. And i'm over-using the word masterpiece i admit it.

Sorry for my ignorance, i'm just learning, i do not want to argue, but make constructive comentaries.>>> Your comments are constructive not only to yourself but to the forum in general

But let me ask you this. If some band at ..let's say , .. 1970 would had made the album Hybris, wouldn't you call a Masterpiece?, i know that it haven't been done at that time, so we don't know if it would had pased the time test, but making the suppouse it have passed the test..... .

When i compared Hybris to all 70's album, i decided that this album was better than any other album, because i consider the general quality of the album is in my opinion, higher than anything done before, the drumming is out of this world, the melodies are as beautifull as complex, and there are really damn complex,the dinamics , the mood changes, woooooww,  i was shocked when i listened to it the first 10 times, and i keep on listening it and always find something new. It's one of the most beautifull pieces of music i've ever listened to, and i thought that that was enough to call it a masterpiece, but i never considered you point of view, sorry, my bad.

Ok, Now i completely see your point and i really understand it, and i did't write any review yet, but i was planing to, and i needed to know this so i can rate them with some good criteria, thank you for all.  .  

As i've seen your point, i agree with you, Hybris couldn't had been done without the albums you mentioned and a few others, i will consider it the next time i say it is better than... .

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