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    Posted: February 12 2006 at 20:15
KQED: An Hour With Pink Floyd and The BBC Sessions, while both are professionally recorded, have never been officially released.  They're available only as RoIOs, and yet they're still listed on the Pink Floyd page.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2006 at 14:02
Anyone gonna take the time to correct this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2006 at 14:08
Yep, but unfortunately I can't delete albums. I have contacted Joren, he'll do it as soon as he comes online.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2006 at 14:16
Ok, cool.


By the by, KQED, while not official, is totally incredible.  I suggest tracking down a copy from some bootlegging sites.  www.dimeadozen.org has it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2006 at 14:20
Thanks for the tip!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2006 at 14:37
I deleted the BBC CD... the DVD had already been reviewed though, so I think we should let the reviewer know that we're gonna take it down, but I don't have his email adress. Maybe you should ask Max.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2006 at 17:31
I'm very suprised the BBC album by Pink Floyd is a bootleg, BBC are a MAJOR professional TV/Radio company, the album was listed in a rival PROG website ProgGnosis.com and that's why it was thought to be alright for the album to be included here!!

Well that's the rules it will have to be deleted if it is a bootleg but surely official bootlegs are fine??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2006 at 18:59

Both KQED and BBC are Harvested releases.  Harvested is the premier Floyd bootleg distributor.  They do fantastic work remastering, and otherwise fixing these recordings.... but they aren't official.

 

http://www.harvested.org/

http://www.harvested.org/DVD001/

http://www.harvested.org/CDR007%2DBBCArchives/

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2006 at 15:47
Someone just added another Floyd Bootleg to the Floyd page...

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_C D.asp?cd_id=11130


That's definitely a bootleg; I own it.  The only official release from Zabriskie Point is the ZP OST.  All others (i.e Complete ZP, Ultimate ZP, etc) are bootlegs.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2006 at 16:14
This is also pretty fishy...

Masters of Rock

The Best of Pink Floyd

The first of those two is a known-legitimate release... the second one is fishy as hell.  Compare those two.  The track-listings are identical.  However, on the latter, Candy and a Currant Bun is misspelled directly on the album.  Not to mention, after researching it, I turned up precious little information.  The best lead I got was the album's catalogue number... when I searched it... it led me directly back to Masters of Rock.  According to the catalogue number, those two albums are one in the same.  According to the tracklisting, they are one in the same.  But according to the date of release.. there's a four-year difference.  Frankly, I don't much trust that Best Of to be legit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2006 at 19:08

Originally posted by WiguJimbo WiguJimbo wrote:

Yep, but unfortunately I can't delete albums. I have contacted Joren, he'll do it as soon as he comes online.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2006 at 15:17

This recent addition appears to be another bootleg.

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=11130

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2006 at 16:23
I don't think these "BBC session" albums (there are some of several artists) can be considered as bootlegs. True, they have not been published by the artists themselves, but the BBC has the full rights to them. There are several "BBC session" albums in the archives. They can be bought openly in any well-sorted record shop, which would not be possible with bootlegs.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2006 at 18:25
Yes, but not that particular recording.  That's a Harvested release.  It's not sold in any stores.  Go read that Harvested site I posted, it might clear it up.  It's a Bootleg.  The only way Harvested material can be obtained is through downloading or trading.

As for the Complete Zabriskie Point Sessions... it's a bootleg too.  I mentioned it earlier.  Anyone gonna take care of that?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2006 at 03:47

It is indeed true that the BBC had full rights to broadcast the sesssions, but as RA says, they rarely had the right to release them as albums. Even those which have been released offically are not usually on a BBC label.

The fact that they are titled "BBC sessions" does not mean that they have been released by the BBC.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2006 at 03:52
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

It is indeed true that the BBC had full rights to broadcast the sesssions, but as RA says, they rarely had the right to release them as albums. Even those which have been released offically are not usually on a BBC label.

The fact that they are titled "BBC sessions" does not mean that they have been released by the BBC.


For me the fact that an album is officially available in a record shop makes it a none-bootleg. Record shops would not sell albums that are illegal; it would only get them into trouble.
Take for example an album like "Maida Vale" by VdGG. It is not an official VdGG recording (proven by the fact that Hammill does not list it on his homepage). On the other hand PH even wrote some liner notes for "Maida Vale" (undoubtedly written by him; his style and sense of humour is unmistakeable). This makes the album a non-bootleg for me.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2006 at 13:04
They wouldn't selll bootlegs?  There's a local chain of record shops (Record and Tape Traders) that did indeed sell bootlegs.  They did so for years.  They got busted for it, and no longer sell 'em.  But they did.

And I repeat, there's nothing official about anything released under Harvested.  They are straight-up bootlegs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2006 at 13:23
Ok, I've contacted Joren again, he'll take a look at this...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2006 at 14:37

I agree with that BF, that VDGG album is certainly not a bootleg.

The problem is, many of the albums of "BBC" recordings are bootlegs. Anyone can record them off the radio and press up copies. The letters BBC can give them a false appearance of legitimacy.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2006 at 08:37
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by WiguJimbo WiguJimbo wrote:

Yep, but unfortunately I can't delete albums. I have contacted Joren, he'll do it as soon as he comes online.

She

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I'm male! Or maybe you're suggesting I'm a sissy?

Anyway, I'm not going to delete albums that have been reviewed already. Secondly I don't see any real evidence that those albums are bootlegs. The Masters Of Rock album for example was just an obscure release. And DVDs like KQED may very well be legal. And I don't feel like researching all this. Contact another admin if you guys would like to see this taken care of. Sorry. I'm currently busy doing things for University.



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