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Poll Question: What are your 3 favorite Spanish progrock albums?
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25 [15.72%]
2 [1.26%]
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5 [3.14%]
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10 [6.29%]
1 [0.63%]
72 [45.28%]
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Points: 20250 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 08:16
Originally posted by Chipiron Chipiron wrote:

How about "Controversial Prog"?

  • Queen
  • Beatles
  • Deep Purple
  • Genesis (90s)
  • Prog death metal bands
  • ... so on

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

worth dicscussing and add pog andaluz in that genre
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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as well as a thinker,
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I don't understand it:  on one hand the additions of Radiohead, Queen, Talk Talk, The Beatles and lots of reviews from folk, experimental and electronic bands that have nothing in common with rock and on the other hand the strong opposition against a new category named Prog Andaluz. Why was there so few opposition against the Italian symphonic prog that you can hardly describe as typical Italian. Was everybody sleeping or .. There is so much confusion and inconsequency on this site  ...
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Points: 7659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2006 at 13:11

Hello progheads.

I have just posted this in the "Collaborators discussions" section on the Forum:

 

"Hello fellow collaborators.

I just checked the Prog Genre section and noticed that it features two special categories:

1) Indo-prog/Raga rock

2) Italian Symphonic

Most of you will have noticed that I am very determined to create the new category Prog Andaluz. The main reason is that is a very distinctive and widespread blend of the folk genre flamenco and progressive rock. It started in Andalusia (Southern Spain) with Triana in the second part of the Seventies but years later bands from all the country also made Prog Andaluz (it was named Rock Andaluz but I would like to focus on prog) like progrock band Grandada from .. Madrid! In my opinion (as Micky mentioned in my topic Spanish Prog!) it would be very clear for the progheads to use the category Prog Andaluz because it is so distinctive and if one is interested in this typical progrock genre it's very easy for a further investigation is you like flamenco and progrock!

Prog Archives have allowed the prog genres Indo prog/Raga rock and Italian symphoic rock (that has nothing typical Italian!) for an inclusion, I don't see why we should oppose against the new category Prog Andaluz? I am looking forward to your reactions."

I hope that this will lead to a constructive discussion and cleaning up the genres!
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

How many people have been exposed to Italian prog because it is ..... separate.  Would as many people have explored it if 'tucked' away under Symphonic prog.  It is seperate for the fact that unlike English symphonic,  unless you are Italian or a true Renaissance man,  you can not understand what they are singing.  It takes an effort to appreciate it.  Namely a willingness to accept that while you can appreciate and 'evaluate' the music... the lyrics are... unintelligible.  Thankfully we are prog fans, not pop fans and isn't THAT big a deal hahahha.  The same thought could be applied to Spanish prog, the point being that it appears that not many people (judging by the lack of general posting here) know Spanish prog.  Would not highlighting what does appear to be seperate off shoot of Symphonic prog  in it's influences in the least and possibly in it's execution, encourage others to check it out. Just my two cents and thinking outloud......

 I agree with you, micky. One of the reasons I would like the "Prog Andaluz" sug-genre to be created is because that would be a way of increasing the interest for this particular style from my country. I think it deserves much more attention

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Points: 114 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2006 at 11:33

Hey, I did it! 100 posts at last!

Hehe, maybe this is not so much for you lazy-internet-addict people, but for me it's a triumph! Don't worry, although I don't have so much time to write I read you all almost everyday

KEEP ON PROGGING!!

(sorry to use your thread for this self-indulgent moment, Erik)

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Points: 3597 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2006 at 11:40

I donīt know much about the spanish scene exepted the big names (Triana among others). My personal favortie is:

GUALBERTO , A La Vida / Al Dolor (1975)
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2006 at 11:55
Originally posted by Carakhallo Carakhallo wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

How many people have been exposed to Italian prog because it is ..... separate.  Would as many people have explored it if 'tucked' away under Symphonic prog.  It is seperate for the fact that unlike English symphonic,  unless you are Italian or a true Renaissance man,  you can not understand what they are singing.  It takes an effort to appreciate it.  Namely a willingness to accept that while you can appreciate and 'evaluate' the music... the lyrics are... unintelligible.  Thankfully we are prog fans, not pop fans and isn't THAT big a deal hahahha.  The same thought could be applied to Spanish prog, the point being that it appears that not many people (judging by the lack of general posting here) know Spanish prog.  Would not highlighting what does appear to be seperate off shoot of Symphonic prog  in it's influences in the least and possibly in it's execution, encourage others to check it out. Just my two cents and thinking outloud......

 I agree with you, micky. One of the reasons I would like the "Prog Andaluz" sug-genre to be created is because that would be a way of increasing the interest for this particular style from my country. I think it deserves much more attention



I have only heard Los Canarios- Ciclos, but have two on order.   Mezuquita- Recuerdos de mi Tierra, and Atila- Reviure.  Baby steps for now I know, 'so much prog so little time' hahahha but I'm sure I'll love them.  Hopefully I'll be able to add more to the discussion rather than being a meer cheerleader for Erik and his crusade hahahah.
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Points: 7659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2006 at 12:53
Muchas gracias for your reactions, keep on discovering the great and varied Prog Andaluz, Spanish prog folk and Spanish symphonic rock  !
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:04
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Muchas gracias for your reactions, keep on discovering the great and varied Prog Andaluz, Spanish prog folk and Spanish symphonic rock  !


*bump* and a muchas gracias to you all..

got Atila- Reviure and Mequita- Recuerdos de mi tierra  the other day..... they've been swapping space in the CD player since then.   EXCELLENT albums... and I can't wait to hear more...
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OK, Micky, great to hear that you are delighted about the Prog Andaluz  albums from Atila and Mezquita. Good luck with your Spanish Prog/Prog Andaluz  quest! Don't hesitate to aks me for recommendations by PM! You can also check out: www.progwalhalla.com English version, the Spanish Prog Files by a certain Erik Neuteboom ... !
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:24
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

OK, Micky, great to hear that you are delighted about the Prog Andaluz  albums from Atila and Mezquita. Good luck with your Spanish Prog/Prog Andaluz  quest! Don't hesitate to aks me for recommendations by PM! You can also check out: www.progwalhalla.com English version, the Spanish Prog Files by a certain Erik Neuteboom ... !


my wife is beginning to grumble about the credit card hahahah, so this order I just got might be it for a a couple weeks hahahah. When the coast is clear, I'll ask for some more recommends.  I'd like what I've heard enough to 'dig deeper'.
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I am looking forward to it, Micky, don't make problems with your wife about money ..

By the way, which country you are from, I presume not Spain  ?
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oh no... the American south..... a  desolate wasteland of things prog.  Have to do all my shopping via the internet hahahah.  Problems with Becks... nah... she's a redhead.. if it's not the CC bill it would be something else... like  the way I dress myself hahahahha (still have a thing for flannel shirts hahahha)
I wouldn't trade her for anything though... she puts up with me.  I married 'up' not 'down'
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The southern part of the USA?
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

The southern part of the USA?



hahaha yes to some the American south is still a country of it's own and will rise again  but yes... I live in North Carolina.


Any luck with the campaign to have Spanish Prog recognized seperately....


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Muchas gracias for your reactions, keep on discovering the great and varied Prog Andaluz, Spanish prog folk and Spanish symphonic rock  !


*bump* and a muchas gracias to you all..

got Atila- Reviure and Mequita- Recuerdos de mi tierra  the other day..... they've been swapping space in the CD player since then.   EXCELLENT albums... and I can't wait to hear more...



EXCELLENT INDEED! In a way, I envy your "newbie" position, the magic of listening to those albums for the first couple of times... that magic that never gets repeated again.

   Regards... and Micky, keep on enjoying.

 
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Thanks for your pleasant reaction, Cesar!
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Muchas gracias for your reactions, keep on discovering the great and varied Prog Andaluz, Spanish prog folk and Spanish symphonic rock  !


*bump* and a muchas gracias to you all..

got Atila- Reviure and Mequita- Recuerdos de mi tierra  the other day..... they've been swapping space in the CD player since then.   EXCELLENT albums... and I can't wait to hear more...

Great albums. I'll be getting that Mezquita and a Triana album in my next purchase.

Erik, what is the status of your "crusade" for recognition of prog Andaluz?

Anyway, thanks for this thread. I learned about new bands and albums which I will be hunting down to listen to. 

 
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My 'Prog Andaluz crusade' has ended with echoes from Kingdom Of Heaven  but fortunately no victims although I am not pleased with the result that most of my collaborators don't see the necessarity of such an incusion, very sad but we had a great and vivid chat in this topic, thanks again!
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