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Bob Greece 
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 Posted: February 16 2006 at 03:43 |
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I just dont want the time to come when The Beatles kick out a great album on the top 100 list  |
 Proto prog and prog related shouldn't be included in the Top 100.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 05:09 |
Argh lets includ the Rolling Stones then shall we? 
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gimsom
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 05:20 |
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I don' t like it too many bands which are not prog are included. Soon you have to add The Who, Doors etc, etc... Soon this youll notice that this site is far from prog.
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eugene
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 05:46 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ The Beatles are not Prog Rock, we all agree on that. What's the problem? |
If you still don't get it, I shall explain.
Just look at the front page of the site: there are 20 reviews as follows
-Tangerine dream
-Beatles
-Elp "Tarkus"
-Queen
-Beatles
-Vangelis
-Beatles
-ELO
-Beatles
-ELO
-Beatles
-Beatles
-Symphony X
-Beatles
-Kraftwerk
-Beatles
-Pendragon
-Beatles
-Wobbler
-Beatles
Only one out of 20 reviews can possibly drag my attention, and this is Wobbler, as Tarkus I know by heart, and all others are sheer rubbish, having little to do with prog
With such low percentage of interesting artists right on the front page of the site, I would never join Archives, if I saw something like that one year ago
And, Mike, you are right, all I have to do is to ignore Beatles and the likes and look for what I am interested in, but when the site is containing only 10 (or so) percent of interesting material, and this number is decreasing by the day, that's what I call "rapidly loosing interest"
And please note that this is pure observation.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 05:51 |
^ With all due respect - your point is ridiculous. Remember when Queen were added to the archives? The situation on the front page was similar, and people cried "omg, the place will be taken over by non-prog bands, and the top 100 wíll be invaded by Queen albums".
And what happend: nothing. Today there's hardly ever any Queen review, and the albums are nowhere near the top 100.
What I'm trying to say here is: relax, take a pill, chill ... come back in a week and everything will be back to normal.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 05:53 |
It will never get back to normal...we are adding bands that stray further and further away from prog...when will this end
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Bob Greece
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 05:58 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
It will never get back to normal...we are adding bands that stray further and further away from prog...when will this end |
When Iron Maiden gets added. 
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:03 |
Bob Greece wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
It will never get back to normal...we are adding bands that stray further and further away from prog...when will this end |
When Iron Maiden gets added.
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I don't want maiden added if this is the result, besides i came to realize now what is really the point in adding all those already famous bands? I mean there is no-one at my age that has even heard about bands like Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull and when it comes to Genesis they have only heard the 80's stuff but bands like Queen, the beatles and deep purple is almost impossible to hear about. And that is what i thought was so great about the progarchives at first, here you could discover the band that nobody else cared about.
I realize now that including maiden is wrong nomather how progressive they are.
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:05 |
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There are some really lame anti- arguments coming out
here. the assertion that "The Beatles are not prog!!!" is like
accusing Mozart of not being part of the Romantic era of
classical. Did it occur to anyone that there WAS no such
category as "Prog" during the lifespan of the Beatles, and that it
surely wouldn't exist now had it not been for them? You think
"Supper's Ready" would have been possible without
"Strawberry Fields Forever" (Gabriel even covered it later in
tribute)? The Beatles were more responsible than any other
single group by far for bringing rock music from its geeky
adolescence to a place where King Crimson was possible, all
in a few short years.
This small-minded, no sense of history, putting everything in
water-tight categories is what's regressive about so many
contributers to this site....calling the Beatles "Brit-Pop" is the
most absurd...that is such a whimpy retro genre that only copies
the most superficial aspects of the Beatles, Kinks, etc. I still find
"I Am the Walrus", "A Day in the Life", "Revolution no. 9", or "All
You Need is Love" (1st hit song in 7/8) far more progressive
than anything by The Moody Blues (with all due respect), much
more progressive than later boring Pink Floyd like Animals and
Wish You Were Here, and Deep Purple we don't need to talk
about...and the standards they set for lyric writing and content is
still THE standard for progressive texts in general (Peter
Gabriel and Crimson always come back to this clear influence).
This anti-reaction seems fueled by the desire to belong to some
kind of geeky exclusive club, and the total denial of the true
musical genius and history that brought the genre that these
people claim to love. Once again, progressive music is not
about adhering to clichés and dogmas, but about breaking
down the barriers between genres, and between "serious" and
"pop" music...and no one did more in that regard than the
Beatles (and Zappa).
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:07 |
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Rolling stones too got quite and experimental album should we include the Rolling Stones then?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:11 |
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^ which Rolling Stones album would that be?
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:12 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
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Rolling stones too got quite and experimental album should
we include the Rolling Stones then? |
No, because there's a big difference from "getting quite
experimental" to consistently creating new things and bringing
a true progress that is valid for everyone even working in the
pop/rock field. The Beatles, like Bach in his time, consolidated
all the various styles of the time and brought music light years
forward. Anyone who takes prog seriously would have to
acknowledge this debt.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:14 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ which Rolling Stones album would that be? |
Their satanic majesties request
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:16 |
RoyalJelly wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
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Rolling stones too got quite and experimental album should
we include the Rolling Stones then?
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No, because there's a big difference from "getting quite
experimental" to consistently creating new things and bringing
a true progress that is valid for everyone even working in the
pop/rock field. The Beatles, like Bach in his time, consolidated
all the various styles of the time and brought music light years
forward. Anyone who takes prog seriously would have to
acknowledge this debt. |
The beatles have only two at max albums that where really progressive
You seem to be another maniac beatles fan that praises the beatles as gods and reinventors of music...REAL prog would have happened with or without the beatles
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eugene
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:23 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ With all due respect - your point is ridiculous. Remember when Queen were added to the archives? The situation on the front page was similar, and people cried "omg, the place will be taken over by non-prog bands, and the top 100 wíll be invaded by Queen albums".
And what happend: nothing. Today there's hardly ever any Queen review, and the albums are nowhere near the top 100.
What I'm trying to say here is: relax, take a pill, chill ... come back in a week and everything will be back to normal.
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I am relaxed like a Muslim at the mosque and calm as a dead horse, but as Lidsay Lohan rightfully mentionned it looks like it will never be back to normal, as the site is just going further and further away from Prog. This is the clear tendency of development of the site.
And I am not going anywhere, never mentionned I would be going, I will still be there digging through the piles of prog-remotely-related rubbish in the attempts to find pearls of true progressive music. It's just not making the search easier, but who said life is fair.
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carefulwiththataxe
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:48 |
^ Have you ever considered the possibility that the archives already list most of the important prog artists? Of course there are still many obscure artists which are not listed ... but be fair, some artists are obscure for a reason. I'd rather talk about the White Album than about some obscure, 200-issue Krautrock vinyl from 1978.
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:48 |
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For those in need of a history brush-up concerning all things prog:
1st concept album: Beatles (Sgt. Peppers - or Zappa's Freak Out, perhaps)
1st pop/rock song in 7/8: Beatles (All You Need is Love)
1st pop-rock song with electronic effects & tape loops: Beatles (Tomorow
Never Knows)
1st pop/rock/Indian song with sitar & Tablas, in 5/8: Beatles (Within You
Without You)
Ist pop/rock song with Mellotron: Beatles (Strawberry Fields Forever)
1st pop/rock album with Synthesizer: Beatles (Abbey Road)
1st pop/rock song with classical string quartet: Beatles (Elanor Rigby)
Any questions? (Actually, if all the people threatening to abandon the site
over this would actually do so, it would only improve the quality.)
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:50 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ which Rolling Stones album would that be? |
Their satanic majesties request
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I don't know that one - but I've never heard a prog artist cover a Rolling Stones song, or name the Rolling Stones as a major influence.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:58 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ which Rolling Stones album would that be? |
Their satanic majesties request
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I don't know that one - but I've never heard a prog artist cover a Rolling Stones song, or name the Rolling Stones as a major influence.
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Iq has covered abba and has them as a major influence. Lets include ABBA
The main influence to early 70's prog will always be CLASSICAL music.
As can be clearly seen on the long compositions with loads of musical themes that occours only once.
Also another genre that has had alot of influence on prog is jazz, thats where you get the long solos and improvisations from.
And ofcourse many prog artist's of the 70's will ofcourse enjoy the most famous POP band of the 60's. Many of them wanted the commercial success of the beatles ofcourse!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 06:59 |
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I see that many consider Sgt Pepper to be a concept album......it isn't.
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