The Beatles. Here. Why? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

sleeper wrote:

Greg W wrote:

sleeper wrote:

IProto-prog/Prog-related are not Prog rock!

....and therefore do not belong on our fair site. Everything else you wrote is pointless.

so your saying that despite the fact that the beatles were probably the most important influence on the development of prog they dont belong here, well it looks like the people that own this site dont agree with you.

As I said at the top of this thread. The Beatles were innovative and indeed porgressive. I love the Beatles. They are not PROG however. I thought I articulated myself quite well with the thread opening. i just didn't rattle off a stupid statement without backing it up.

Prog Related and Proto Prog have to go.

Greg W wrote:

TheProgtologist wrote:

Greg W wrote:

eugene wrote:

When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.

This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.

Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.

This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)

Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.

This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.

To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.

Sad, isn't it?

I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.

That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.

Yes...when it comes to music I am an elitist and whether you admit it or not...so are you. That is why we are all here...isn't it?

I think we are all elitists (I know I am) but to that extent? I look to prog because its were the cream of the crop has gone but to ignore one band because "its not prog" is stupid and bigoted.

Yes I am also aware that you like The Beatles and you have stated that they were progressive in the true sence of the word but so were Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Tull, etc etc. We know that prog NOW has a complete felling to it so that bands that arnt doing something completely new ae still prog because it feels that way. Besides if your saying that Proto-prog should go do you include The Nice, Moody Blue's and others in that as well?

Edited by sleeper

Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005

TheProgtologist wrote:

Greg W wrote:

eugene wrote:

When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.

This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.

Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.

This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)

Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.

This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.

To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.

Sad, isn't it?

I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.

That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.

Probably also one of the most ironic ones.

"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun

Manunkind wrote:

TheProgtologist wrote:

Greg W wrote:

eugene wrote:

When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.

This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.

Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.

This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)

Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.

This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.

To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.

Sad, isn't it?

I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.

That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.

Probably also one of the most ironic ones.

I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.

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sleeper wrote:

Greg W wrote:

TheProgtologist wrote:

Greg W wrote:

eugene wrote:

When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.

This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.

Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.

This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)

Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.

This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.

To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.

Sad, isn't it?

I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.

That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.

Yes...when it comes to music I am an elitist and whether you admit it or not...so are you. That is why we are all here...isn't it?

I think we are all elitists (I know I am) but to that extent? I look to prog because its were the cream of the crop has gone but to ignore one band because "its not prog" is stupid and bigoted.

in your own musical world...yes..like what you want. I once again love the Beatles as well as many other non prog acts. In my personal life I do not ignore and exclude good music just because they are not prog.

Here...on the PROGrock Archives we need to be more exclusive, however.

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Manunkind wrote:

TheProgtologist wrote:

Greg W wrote:

eugene wrote:

When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.

This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.

Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.

This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)

Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.

This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.

To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.

Sad, isn't it?

I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.

That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.

Probably also one of the most ironic ones.

I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.

I don't really think so either, but I am still hoping he was ironic, since the way that statement of his was written makes it almost impossible to take seriously. "Most mature music in rock history", "unruly commoners", "pillaging" etc.

"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun

^ can you post an example of such an article? I've never read any article describing the Beatles as PRog Rock. Surely they were progressive and experimental on their late albums, but never "Prog Rock".

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^ please don't use the word "we" - we don't have much in common.

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MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ can you post an example of such an article? I've never read any article describing the Beatles as PRog Rock. Surely they were progressive and experimental on their late albums, but never "Prog Rock".

Of course they are not considered prog rock like yes, because they had a great career before, but search for progressive rock in the internet and you can see every site talking about Beatles being progressive from Sgt. Peppers on.

Manunkind wrote:

Greg W wrote:

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Manunkind wrote:

TheProgtologist wrote:

Greg W wrote:

eugene wrote:

When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.

This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.

Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.

This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)

Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.

This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.

To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.

Sad, isn't it?

I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.

That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.

Probably also one of the most ironic ones.

I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.

I wasn't joking. It goes with the territory. Tell me how many times you hear a song on the radio and think it is absolute rubbish? What is worse is when witnessing someone who is enjoying the stupidity that is playing on the radio or a dance club. Tell me you just aren't a tad nauseated by the whole experience? We are all music elitists. We demand better, and there is nothing wrong with admitting you have better tastes in music than the masses. Trust me, they won't agree with you, but we know better.

I enjoy music by people like Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, Gyorgi Ligeti, Iannis Xenakis etc. Damn, how noble I am because of this, Jesus and Buddha don't dare untie my shoelaces.

But that is beside the point.

...and I like Carly Simon and many of the singer/songwriters, but here we must keep a closed mind and stick our noses up in the air towards allowing such music in.