Yes fans vs. Genesis fans

Ken4musi wrote:

Roudabout was a pop song.  Watcher of the Skies was a pop song.

Watcher of the Skies......A song with:

1. A 2:15 minutes of 100% Baroque dark intro by Tony Banks playing Church Organ and Mellotron,
2. At least 7 dramatic changes
3. Incredible Organ work blended with Steve Hackett's best guitar.
4. The most amazing team work by the Rhytrm section, Phil and Mike are absolutely perfect. 
5. Amazing and deep lyrics.
6. Excellent Melotron work, considered by Mellotron Planet as one of the Top songs of the genre. 
7. Absolutely and 100% Symphonic structure

And you consider it POP????????????????????????????????????????????

What have you smoked lately??? If you can't leave it (What would be better), go to your dealer and tell him to sell you the good stuff, the one you're usink is killing your neurones, you forget what you wrote, write without coherence and you say Watcher of the Skies is Pop...bad symptoms

Watcher of the Skies  is a 500% Prog track, here, in China or in Australia, abdsolutely no relation with POP.

Surely you are clueless, and I'm not saying it's great (Despite it is IMO) but I assure you is an icon of Progressive Rock.

Iván

BTW; Your logic is not subtlem, is flawed.

ivan_2068 wrote: Ken4musi wrote: [quote]Roudabout was a pop song.  Watcher of the Skies was a pop song.

Watcher of the Skies......A song with:

1. A 2:15 minutes of 100% Baroque dark intro by Tony Banks playing Church Organ and Mellotron,
2. At least 7 dramatic changes
3. Incredible Organ work blended with Steve Hackett's best guitar.
4. The most amazing team work by the Rhytrm section, Phil and Mike are absolutely perfect. 
5. Amazing and deep lyrics.
6. Excellent Melotron work, considered by Mellotron Planet as one of the Top songs of the genre. 
7. Absolutely and 100% Symphonic structure

And you consider it POP????????????????????????????????????????????

What have you smoked lately??? If you can't leave it (What would be better), go to your dealer and tell him to sell you the good stuff, the one you're usink is killing your neurones, you forget what you wrote, write without coherence and you say Watcher of the Skies is Pop...bad symptoms

Watcher of the Skies  is a 500% Prog track, here, in China or in Australia, abdsolutely no relation with POP.

Surely you are clueless, and I'm not saying it's great (Despite it is IMO) but I assure you is an icon of Progressive Rock.

Iván

BTW; Your logic is not subtlem, is fla

You obviously have not understood one word I have said. Roundabout was numnber 15 in the states and that alone makes it a pop song. Watcher could have been a pop hit if the subject matter was not too intense for mainstream radio.  But it has all the elements of a good pop song, notably pop song structure and a good hook.  this is what I meant when I said that Yes and Geneisis took pop structure and imposed prog elements on them as opposed to KC or ELP who did not. One can asks the question, when does it stop becoming pop and argue that these songs stop becoming pop when . . . .but to just dismiss it shows that you have very little knowledge of music, which is okay but for the fact that you just don't seem to know it.

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If the Gates of Delirium are sufficiently Close to the Edge, then Yes.

Phil wrote: Never mind a battle of the fans, we should round up the band members and let them get on with it. Thing is of course that Yes has a clear advantage, having had some ermm.... well a much large number of band members so that gives them a head start against Genesis. Mind you that Phil Collins looks a hard nut, he was in that Buster film, don't think Bruford or White will be able to stand up to him...and Bruford of course is a bit of a turncoat anyhow....ooh look there's Wakey shoving Banks' mellotron where the sun doesn't shine.... and Squire has grabbed Rutherford by his beard and his tugging his chin onto his knee...etc etc..... OK very silly and I'm sure it (or something similar) has been done before!

I'm pretty sure after Squire destroys Genesis, in a fit of rage he will also kill his OWN bandmates. And i'm not referring to his size, just his bass playing! That's how powerful it is!!

Winter Wine wrote: Peter wrote: chopper wrote: I like Yes and Genesis - whose side should I be on? As do I -- love 'em both!     That "Chopper" guy, however.... Hey! What did Chopper do to you! he's a good guy

Thank you Winter Wine. I've only just noticed this comment from Peter - what did I do? I don't remember doing anything to upset him.

For the rest of the members, I'm not talking as a fan despite this is a Yes vs Genesis thread. I'm sorry if I bore anybody, but there are things that really piss me, and one of them is the disrespect for other people's taste and opinion.

Dogmas are for the church, music is only a matter of taste and opinions, we can agree or disagree, and we will disagree reteadly because we're not machines and artistic expression is not an exact science

I never said (And you can check all my posts) that Genesis is better than Yes despite I like Genesis music much more (To what I'm entitled).

I just argue with  a person that:

• Believes he can decide what band is better.
• Creates his own history of a Genesis
• Tries to convince us  that the the number of times a song is played on radio makes it POP or Prog.
• Contradicts himself repeteadly saying for example that Genesis (in his words) represents the aesthetics of Progressive Rock is at the same time a  Pop band.

Or a person that decides that one of the most complex songs of Progressive Rock history like Watcher of the Skies is POP.

Does anybody mentally sane  believes that any POP fan would accept a track that has a 3 minutes 100% baroque organ intro, complex timming, radical changes, intelligent lyrics, elaborate Organ-mellotron work?

This is absurd, I'm really tired of people attacking any band, I accept when a person says he/she likes a determined band more than another, but not a guy that comes to gives us absurd arguments to prove one is better han the other.

I have 29 years in Prog, I try to read any availlable information and as many websites as I can, but I don't dare to say if Genesis, Yes or Pink Floyd are better. All are different, all are amazing IMO, but I like Genesis more, that's all.

Before I was connected to  Internet used to accept as a dogma that the only great Prog' was done in the 70's, but I discovered Anglagard, Echolyn, Glass Hammer, The Mars Volta, Fantomas, Pendragon, etc.

The older members should remember that even hen I just joined this site i was very reluctant to accept Neo Prog because I believed in stupid dogmas. 

Dogmas are like a blindfold before our eyes, nobody should tell us what is better and what is worst, surely we can and MUST have a personal and unique taste, but nobody should try to force the rest of the members to believe that our taste is an undisputable truth and that everything he says is a fact.

Iván 

Why are we fighting?

The fans of Prog, whether old or new or happy or angry or caped or dressed as a sunflower, should unite to squash the hordes of Linkin Park fans that plague the internet like so many locusts.

And when the hell are ELP going to get into the top 10?!>>

I hear its in the works.

PS Yes, there are those who really believe that Jon Anderson is a better vocalist then Gabriel era Gabriel, except when he did those voices.  Then he was da real bomb. His solo vocal stuff is a lot better.  On Supper's Ready and Selling England, when he reaches for those high notes and they aren't there, ouch.