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 Posted: February 04 2006 at 12:34 |
The Who WERE very, very progressive, much more than Yes at least!!
About the Beatles, we should give them an honorable mention somewhere. They're EXTREMELY influential to the genre, but they're definitely not a part of it. They're far more progressive than Peter Gabriel's solo carreer at least. (Not that I dislike PG, but he's not that revolutionary. Just very creative.) So at least mention them somewhere like, "The Beatles are the most important examples of the creative spirit that fueled the birth of prog."
You know what I meam?
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 13:33 |
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Beatles could fit under Proto-prog!!
Maybe The Who could go under Prog Related!
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 13:48 |
 PROGMAN wrote:
Beatles could fit under Proto-prog!!
Maybe The Who could go under Prog Related!
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I second that motion!!
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 14:25 |
PROGMAN wrote:
Beatles could fit under Proto-prog!!
Maybe The Who could go under Prog Related!
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 14:41 |
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NO, they aren't prog...
but maybe an influence, so proto-prog seems partly alright!
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Posted: February 04 2006 at 15:31 |
There is plaenty of internet presence for the Beatles, no problem finding info on them.
Can you imagine how overrun this site would become if Beatles fans were to come here on a regular basis?
There is nothing to stop us talking about them on PA anyway.
Leave well enough alone!!
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Posted: February 05 2006 at 05:31 |
We would have fresh new faces to convert to the Way of the Mellotron!!
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:42 |
Stupid discussion. Include the Beatles then you soon have to include most of the bands from the 60's as well as the 70's. 
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We're only in it for the music!!!
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 15:27 |
Zenith wrote:
Stupid discussion. Include the Beatles then you soon have to include most of the bands from the 60's as well as the 70's. |
Why?
Were most of the bands from the 1960s/70s as Progressive as the Beatles?
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:40 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Zenith wrote:
Stupid discussion. Include the Beatles then you soon have to include most of the bands from the 60's as well as the 70's. |
Why?
Were most of the bands from the 1960s/70s as Progressive as the Beatles?
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Even though Beatles made some albums that could be classified as proto prog dosen't make them progressive as a band IMO.
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We're only in it for the music!!!
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 16:51 |
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^ I've always thought of the white album as a very innovative and daring piece of music ... even long before I knew what prog was.
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 03:14 |
Zenith wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Zenith wrote:
Stupid discussion. Include the Beatles then you soon have to include most of the bands from the 60's as well as the 70's. |
Why?
Were most of the bands from the 1960s/70s as Progressive as the Beatles?
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Even though Beatles made some albums that could be classified as proto prog dosen't make them progressive as a band IMO.
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No, but there are lots of other things about the Beatles that do make them progressive as a band.
For example, Mike makes a good point - Revolution #9 on "The Beatles" (The White Album) is inspired by "Hymnen" by Karlheinz Stockhausen. At that time, John Lennon released some work that he did with Yoko that was even more Avante-Garde - the "Unfinished..." albums.
Paul McCartney had been into the Avante-Garde since at least 1966, and the influence can clearly be heard in the backwards tape used on "Tomorrow Never Knows" ("Revolver"). "Revolver" was such a massive influence on the Beach Boys that they released "Pet Sounds", and you only need to listen to that a few times to get all the wierd instrumentation and experimentation.
There weren't many rock bands in 1968 who were that closely inspired by the Avante-Garde AND sold records, and practically none in 1966. I can only think of a few from 1968:
United States of America
Fifty Foot Hose
Silver Apples
White Noise
Frank Zappa
The Pink Floyd
The Soft Machine
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 06:57 |
Certif1ed wrote:
"Revolver" was such a massive influence on the Beach Boys that they released "Pet Sounds", and you only need to listen to that a few times to get all the wierd instrumentation and experimentation. |
A bit of a controversial area this. From what I understand (from memory of a tv interview I saw a few years ago) Brian Wilson has denied this, and even countered with accusations (maybe too strong a word) that Sgt Pepper's was heavily influenced by Pet Sounds. I don't know what the truth is and BW's mental state could be a factor 
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 07:48 |
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^ let's keep in mind that adding the Beatles as "Proto-Prog" does imply that they're not a prog band ... so we don't have to use the same level of scrutiny that we use for "normal" prog additions. The Beatles were hugely influential on many prog artists of the 70s, 80s, 90s and even 2000s ... AND combined with their progressive tendencies on their latest album merits their inclusion.
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 07:52 |
The-Bullet wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
"Revolver" was such a massive influence on the Beach Boys that they released "Pet Sounds", and you only need to listen to that a few times to get all the wierd instrumentation and experimentation. |
A bit of a controversial area this. From what I understand (from memory of a tv interview I saw a few years ago) Brian Wilson has denied this, and even countered with accusations (maybe too strong a word) that Sgt Pepper's was heavily influenced by Pet Sounds. I don't know what the truth is and BW's mental state could be a factor
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It's true that there was competition between Wilson and Lennon/McCartney, but it was Rubber Soul that inspired Wilson more with Pet Sounds as he was already working on it long before Revolver came out.
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 08:57 |
chopper wrote:
The-Bullet wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
"Revolver" was such a massive influence on the Beach Boys that they released "Pet Sounds", and you only need to listen to that a few times to get all the wierd instrumentation and experimentation. |
A bit of a controversial area this. From what I understand (from memory of a tv interview I saw a few years ago) Brian Wilson has denied this, and even countered with accusations (maybe too strong a word) that Sgt Pepper's was heavily influenced by Pet Sounds. I don't know what the truth is and BW's mental state could be a factor
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It's true that there was competition between Wilson and Lennon/McCartney, but it was Rubber Soul that inspired Wilson more with Pet Sounds as he was already working on it long before Revolver came out.
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I've read that both "Rubber Soul" and "Revolver" were strong influences on Wilson - but it's true that "Pet Sounds" (released May 1966) was released about 3 months before "Revolver" (UK release August 1966) was unleashed on the US.
I've read further, and there are many sources that support the claim for "Rubber Soul" being the driver behind "Pet Sounds", as Wilson realised that songs about "fun, fun, fun" were probably getting a bit long in the tooth, and people wanted something more substantial and emotionally fulfilling - which "Rubber Soul" excels at, while still providing the "fun" element.
There is no real doubt that "Sgt Pepper" was at least partly an attempt to trump "Pet Sounds", but the approach was completely different; "Pet Sounds" was recorded in a makeshift studio with ordinary objects used to create "homely" sounds, while "Pepper" was a full-scale assault on what was possible with a modern recording studio, a symphony orchestra and a shiny new sitar. Kind of the polar opposite, I suppose.
Paul McCartney is reported to have said of "Pet Sounds" that it was the best album ever recorded.
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It does seem that Macca has been positive in his praise for The Beach Boys and Wilson in particular, although I have also read that Back in the USSR was not so much a nod to the Beach Boys, but more a dig...
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 15:55 |
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It does seem that Macca has been positive in his praise for The Beach Boys and Wilson in particular, although I have also read that Back in the USSR was not so much a nod to the Beach Boys, but more a dig... |
Once a cheeky chappie, indeed... 
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 19:38 |
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Lots of controversial things here
Lots of bands being added for having only one album with progressive
influences and Beatles are forbidden (Since Revolver they had clear
progressive elements).
Proto-prog is good for then because they didnīt have time to go on progressive rock, because they disbanded in 69.
Mike, did you say that Proto-prog imply that the band is not prog? It
means that The Moody Blues, Procol Harum, are not prog? If it is true
and some of the new bands added here are prog, I think Iīm not a prog
fan, or progressive rock here doesnīt mean the classical definition of
progressive rock.
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 08:27 |
OK, they're here 
Please take a look at the Biography, if you get a moment:
It was entirely concieved and written "In House" - you won't see another bio like it anywhere else as it's entirely geared towards their "Prog" aspects.
If you have seen one like it, let me know, as I need to give credit to anyone whose original material I have used (albeit unintentionally).
And if there's anything glaringly wrong with it (apart from a few typos), I'd like to know about that too 
Keep in mind when reviewing that although they produced many undisputable masterpieces, they may not be masterpieces of Prog Rock .
I'd prefer to see "Close to the Edge" at #1 in the Prog Rock top 100 over "Sgt Pepper", and I don't even like Yes. 
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