| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Sir Hogweed 
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 29 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 191
|
 Posted: January 30 2006 at 14:30 |
 Moatilliatta wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you. The Flower Kings' musicianship and compositions are at the same level of quality, and I find them very enjoyable. The only thing is that Genesis was way before The Flower Kings. I think that's why everybody writes stuff like this off so quickly. The music is as good, but it's not as important (historically) or influential. I think it's unfair to judge based on the aforementioned.
It's like this in all areas of music it seems. When you ask someone who the greatest guitarist of all time is, majortiy vote will probably be to Jimi Hendrix. Why is this? Surely, it isn't because of his skill or songwriting. It's because of his groundbreaking ideas and techniques. He influenced so many. Nowadays, if you put Jimi up against (roughly) any guitarist (especially in prog), the other guy will destroy him.
So, I think The Flower Kings are as good, and as enjoyable as Genesis, but they will never get as much credit because of their chronological place in music.
|
Yep indeed. TFK is an anachronism and I think their music isn't any less genuine because of that. It's high quality stuff, especially the epics.
Still... Supper's Ready may be my all time favorite epic .
Edited by Sir Hogweed
|
 |
Mongo
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 12 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 370
|
Posted: January 31 2006 at 03:15 |
|
They're good but not "that" good.
|
|
"The options are ever fewer on the ground these days" Fish
|
|
BiGi
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 01 2005
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 848
|
Posted: January 31 2006 at 04:11 |
|
I like most of Flower Kings' works, but comparing them to Genesis would be a little excessive!
Moreover, Genesis (THANK GOD) never did record such pointless and annoying instrumental mayhems like Rumble fish twist, Christianopel, Too late for tomatoes and the like...
|
A flower?
|
|
BiGi
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 01 2005
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 848
|
Posted: January 31 2006 at 04:28 |
|
|
A flower?
|
|
Sharier
Forum Groupie
Joined: September 18 2005
Location: Bangladesh
Status: Offline
Points: 47
|
Posted: January 31 2006 at 05:44 |
|
Now that I have been hearing the Flower Kings for several months now, I
can assertively say that no other band has successfully re-create and
utilise the seventies style prog-rock after the nineties. In fact I
don't think any other band even tried. That makes FK sound too good to
me. Style and patches sound like the seventies, yet all materials are
new and adventurous. Indeed sometimes FK sounds like the long lost
Genesis (if they continued, they would have made similar stuffs). I
can't find anything to complain against this fantastic band of new era.
|
|
luc4fun
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 17 2005
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 130
|
Posted: January 31 2006 at 06:38 |
I recently discovered TFK and I am slowly getting their CDs.
Very very good band with talented musicians...May be one of the best bands around nowadays.
Anyway i wud not compare with Yes or Genesis.
|
|
Site Admin at www.progrockwall.com
the first social network for Proggers!
|
|
Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 07 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Status: Offline
Points: 3830
|
Posted: January 31 2006 at 10:28 |
BiGi wrote:
OH MY GOD, YET ANOTHER ALBUM FROM TFK! It seems Roine Stolt really can't sit still...
And it's going to be a double one...should we expect LOTS of filler as with Unfold the Future?  |
Considering each disc is said to be just over 60 minutes, I doubt
there'll be filler... when Roine tries, he can get the 78 minutes
out of each disc. 
BiGi wrote:
I like most of Flower Kings' works, but comparing them to Genesis would be a little excessive!
Moreover, Genesis (THANK GOD) never did record such pointless and annoying instrumental mayhems like Rumble fish twist, Christianopel, Too late for tomatoes and the like... |
Rumble Fish Twist, pointless? You're mad! Too Late For
Tomatoes is also one of their best instrumentals, and it's purely
improvised. Christianopel is an acquired taste, but it's certainly not bad...
|
|
Prog-jester
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 05 2005
Location: Love Beach
Status: Offline
Points: 5908
|
Posted: January 31 2006 at 10:31 |
< making extra long tracks for no good reasons except just making them long>
QUOTE]
|
|
BiGi
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 01 2005
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 848
|
Posted: February 01 2006 at 04:53 |
Man Overboard wrote:
Rumble Fish Twist, pointless? You're mad! Too Late For
Tomatoes is also one of their best instrumentals, and it's purely
improvised. Christianopel is an acquired taste, but it's certainly not bad...
|
Yes, I usually am completely out of my head 
But when it comes to music I prefer well-structured compositions.
I know many of you praise improvisation: well I'm not so much into it.
That's why I cannot digest tracks like the one I mentioned, or Providence and Starless and Bible Black by King Crimson or several of Emerson's extravaganzas!
I, on the other side, am very fond of instrumental tracks like TFK's Circus Brimstone (which is one of my favourite TFK's tracks and I consider a real masterpiece) or Anglagard's Jördrok, because they are well structured and autoconsistent even if they clock at more than 10 minutes each.
Ditto for what concerns Godspeed You Black Emperor's compositions: they follow a well-defined pattern and use buildups and fades to convey the dramaticity their tracks require.
Obviously that's my opinion!
|
A flower?
|
|
Progger
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 26 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 1188
|
Posted: February 04 2006 at 00:21 |
The one thing that both bands certainly have in common is that all their albums are a mixture of mediocricity and genius. I think the Flowerkings just about have the edge over Genesis though overall!
|
|
Thufir Hawat
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 09 2006
Location: Antarctica
Status: Offline
Points: 355
|
Posted: February 04 2006 at 00:59 |
The Flower Kings have a more modern sound
(obviously) but never the less I like The Flower
Kings better.
|
|
"I can't see through my eye lids"
|
|
Oxygen Waster
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 24 2005
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 296
|
Posted: February 04 2006 at 01:48 |
I pesonally think that The Flower Kings are alot better than Genesis.
|
|
ProgShine
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 04 2005
Location: Kalisz, Poland
Status: Offline
Points: 1256
|
Posted: February 04 2006 at 07:52 |
|
Since I bought Adam & Eve i agree with this, together with the 70's band, The Flower Kings is the only band that put together the 70's and the today.
|
https://progshinerecords.bandcamp.com 
|
|
Tales
Forum Groupie
Joined: December 29 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 98
|
Posted: February 04 2006 at 19:58 |
I LIKE BOTH BANDS BUT WOULD PREFER TO LISTEN TO A 'BEST OF ' FLOWERKINGS ALBUM THAN A 'BEST OF' GENESIS ALBUM.
SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE FLOWERKINGS ARE BETTER THAN GENESIS....JUST!
|
|
cuncuna
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 29 2005
Location: Chile
Status: Offline
Points: 4318
|
Posted: February 04 2006 at 22:55 |
|
First of all, Genesis is a very old band, with an incredible sound given the time in wich they started. So, they will allways win, just because of that. The Flower Kings... too much noise.
|
|
¡Beware of the Bee!
|
|
Zitro
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 11 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1321
|
Posted: February 04 2006 at 23:27 |
Wow, Lots of positive replies! 
Yes and Genesis were more groundbraking, but I still find The Flower Kings as one of the most creative bands around today (Mars Volta is easily the winner on that though (Weird stuff)). I also love how diverse they are. Not to forget, the Symphonic sound is phenomenal. It sounds like there are 10 musicians playing at the same time.
I understand Christianopel as pointless, but Rumble Fish Twist? That's one of their best songs! How can the gorgeous 2nd half be pointless? 
The next album is released that soon and is a double album? uhhh, that doesn't look too good  . They should use more time, or they could end up with another RainMaker.
Edited by Zitro
|
|
Mikerinos
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Planet Gong
Status: Offline
Points: 8890
|
Posted: February 05 2006 at 00:03 |
Yes. Pretty much all songs by The Flower Kings to me are at least good. Then they have those select songs on each album are absolutely FANTASTIC. You can take the fantastic ones, put them all together and have the same amount of material as early Genesis (Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England, The Lamb).... except better. Then you have enough left over tracks to make quite a few solid albums. Yeah, some TFK songs are filler, but I can't think of a band that don't have at least one filler track. Hell, the latter-era Genesis had entire ALBUMS of filler.
|
|
|
|
NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 12 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 3047
|
Posted: February 05 2006 at 02:23 |
Bluesaga wrote:
Yeah, some TFK songs are filler, but I can't think of a band that don't have at least one filler track. Hell, the latter-era Genesis had entire ALBUMS of filler.
|
please tell me what later Genesis album was entirely filler?
They never made an album without a few redeeming tracks, sans CAS.
|
|
|
|
Ironing Mike
Forum Groupie
Joined: August 13 2005
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 61
|
Posted: February 05 2006 at 03:15 |
|
The Flower Kings are as good as The Flower Kings.
IM
|
|
It's a rainy day, sunshine girl
|
|
ghostdog
Forum Newbie
Joined: February 05 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4
|
Posted: February 05 2006 at 14:59 |
Zitro wrote:
I never imagined myself saying this, but I think the
Flower kings grown so much on me that I like them more than Yes (my
previous #1 band), now I like them as much as Genesis and only Pink
Floyd and Led Zeppelin are more enjoyable (and barely).
This band has everything I want: Consistency, a discography with no
weak albums, very few weak tracks, Beautiful atmospherics that surpasses
70s yes (because of the modern technology), Good epics, a guitarist as
complete as Steve Howe who has a neat bluesy vocal style, A great bass
player that reminds me of David Lebon (Seru Giran), and some of the best
percussion I've heard. The keyboardist is my least favourite member (after
the new bass player and the drummers came), but he still manages to
sound great most of the time. His album "I AM" is pretty good.
I wish this band would get more recognition. It has the virtuosity of Yes
and the beauty of Genesis. I also like the general happy tone of it. It
sounds like Progged-up beatles in the first albums.
Sometimes, they amaze me when they get influenced. "The World of
Adventures" which is clearly influenced by the beatles sound as good as
the beatles best songs. Rumble Twist Fish is clearly influenced by Camel,
and it sounds better than anything Camel did.
By the way, in "hummanizmo" (one of my favourite epic from Roine by
the way) has 2 things that just blow me away : The church organ riffary +
"THIS IS THE NIGHT" and when the epic is about to end ... I hear an
awesome wail from Roine. Trust me, it puts the dude from Pain of
Salvation to shame.
Anyways, I'll stop rambling.
Flower Kings ---> Prog Kings.
I should edit my reviews as I like them much more as before.
|
No weak albums? Adam and Eve is mostly terrible. That bit about the porn
star in the title track. Laughable. Prog cheese at its stinkiest.
Seriously dude, it's great that you love the Flower Kings, as they have
some enjoyable records, but they are not even in the same class as Yes or
Genesis of the 70's, let alone the Beatles.
A certain degree of objectivity is needed here.
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
flower Kings ... as good as genesis??
