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    Posted: January 27 2006 at 05:59

How about this for an idea:

ProgArchives is an international website shown in English which is a great as you can share your views with proggers around the world, but I had a really weird thought, but thought to myself "hang on that will never work".

What about local versions of ProgArchives examples below:

progarchives.fr - french language version,

progarchives.de - german language version,

progarchives.jp - janpenese version and so on...

Would that work??, it would be useful for people who DON'T speak ENGLISH and use their native anguage.

 

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have a system on progarchives.com that uses a translator system for non ENGLISH speaking users!

What do you think?, would it work?, is a a good or bad idea?

 
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:15
There's a cleverer way to create multilingual pages, but it's a lot of effort. I'd dig up an example, but I've no idea where it was.
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:19

I develop web cms software which is capable of multi-language websites, but I know first hand that it is extremely cumbersome to translate all the little text fragments which are used on all the pages.
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Points: 2664 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:22

If there were local domains like progarchives.fr (for example) there would probably need slightly different collaborators and sub-admins who speak that particular language!!

I didn't realise that.
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Points: 1823 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:34
Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

Would that work??, it would be useful for people who DON'T speak ENGLISH and use their native anguage.

If you want to see what automatic translation does to progressive rock reviews, have a look at this:

http://www.progarchives.com?reviewer=BrainDamage


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Points: 1823 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:37
Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

If there were local domains like progarchives.fr (for example) there would probably need slightly different collaborators and sub-admins who speak that particular language!!

I didn't realise that.

Will you be the administrator for ProgArchives.cymru?


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Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

If there were local domains like progarchives.fr (for example) there would probably need slightly different collaborators and sub-admins who speak that particular language!!

I didn't realise that.

Will you be the administrator for ProgArchives.cymru?

If m@x allows me, yes definetely, I can have Man and Budgie added then, hey,hey!!

 
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:55
Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

If there were local domains like progarchives.fr (for example) there would probably need slightly different collaborators and sub-admins who speak that particular language!!

I didn't realise that.

Not only that - if you have one website with just different languages, you'd also need to coordinate all these collabs. That's where it gets difficult.
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M@X and Rony would have to be the management for all the local progarchives domains, which would be a handful of a job!!

Secondly how would that affect the .com progarchives!
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Points: 606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 10:56
Well, that's very intricate! Who should do that all?

Furthermore I think it's better when there is simply 1 main site.





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Points: 20030 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 11:23
Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

If there were local domains like progarchives.fr (for example) there would probably need slightly different collaborators and sub-admins who speak that particular language!!

I didn't realise that.

Will you be the administrator for ProgArchives.cymru?

If m@x allows me, yes definetely, I can have Man and Budgie added then, hey,hey!!

 

Snow Dog might have something to say about that!
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Points: 9669 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2006 at 11:51

LOTS of work!Confused

 

Why not just start your own non-English site, or use someone else's? (I'm sure there are many.) This one originates in Canada, and is in English. That's just the way it is. Stern Smile
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Points: 12288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2006 at 16:22

A WIKIPROG could be a good idea, but it'll need a lot of work and MONEY!!!

However, PA make possible the interchange among people coming from all parts of the world and the way they feel progressive rock. It is amazing!

Due to their cultural backgrounds people receive information in different ways and express them in their tastes and feelings. That's why PA have the status of a real international forum - not necessarily globalised because we don't think equally.

Fortunately or not, we have to use a common language and unless a specific international language is created and accepted for all we have to use English.

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Points: 1453 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2006 at 04:51

 

I think that prog originated in England and therefore english is language of prog. For non-english native speakers the effort put in learning english blossoms in better understanding of whole prog context, especially lyrics.

Multi - language progarchives will result in dividing our community.
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2006 at 08:06
There are enough people to justify more than one site.
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Points: 2771 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2006 at 12:31
I have actually mooted this idea in the past (not going as far as Progman suggests though) ...

When we are ready to try it out (and we definitely aren't at the moment IMO) ... I suggest we start small ... just having one section in the forum with foreign language threads and moderators, who would need to be billingual ... those moderators could also double up translating/touching up reviews done in other languages ...

But I can see it being pretty messy ...
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Points: 2664 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2006 at 07:00
Now it does sound a bit far fetched, but a foreign language section in this archives would work better!!, so everyone can use progarchives.com then!!!
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Points: 3613 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2006 at 14:23
Providing a multi-language version of Prog Archives would entail an incredible amount of work and an enormous amount of time. There are over 2000 bands listed on this site (possibly that same amount in band bios). I'm assuming the reviews will also need to be translated. That could amount to tens of thousands. I'm not saying that it can't be done, but it sounds a bit overwhelming to me.

A simpler solution would be to allow reviewers to write their reviews in their native language. Then I can use Babelfish to at least try to understand it (and maybe get a good laugh, too).

Better yet, start your own site, as already mentioned previously.

By the way, is the site Unicode-compliant? After all, there is more than one alphabet out there.
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