Why do you blame collins?

You people talk as if Collins was the only one in the band. Didn't the other guys had any brains at all to make anything?

Plus everything has it's cicle of life. Born, Growth, Reproduction, Ageing, Death.

I think they did their contibution to the music and it was so important that it will trascend. That's the important thing. And collins contibuted

Another band would be Soft Machine, their debut also has most components of prog (and was released before ITCOTCK), yet it wasn't the big breakthrough in rock music KC made a year later.

You are probably right here about SM . . .  My argument is that KC did not hold a 'special place' in the history of prog. until much later and although they may have turned many people on to prog, it does not mean that they were the first 'prog' band. 

The jazz sophistication of the first album lay not only in the improvisation but the orchestrations, which are Ian McDonald, although compositional credit is given to all on the two tracks that are most well- orchestrated: 21st and Epitaph. This may have something to do with the bands recognition of the interest of the orchestrations.  The use of the bass clarinet seems to have reference to Miles Davis Bitches Brew, which came out earlier in the year. Also some of the harmonic vocabulary at the beginnning of The Court seems to come out of BB.  The first KC was an incredible ensemble.

 . . .to put it in perspective of Genesis.  From my reading it seems that Genesis held a very distinct place among fans of early prog.  I think a big part of it must have been the theatrics or maybe the lyrics, which are not mutually exclusive.  There seems to be an important place that theatrics held in early prog.  ELP was also a very theatrical band, but the theatrics lay in musical virtuosity, destroying organs, spinning pianos and revolving drums sets.  Genesis relied more on mood than virtuosity and destruction.  I think that mood was an important element to the escapist notions of early prog. For Genesis as for KC, the destruction of this world was inevitable. KC sees this reality through the expressionistic eyes of terror.  Genesis is more resolved to the reality and creates an escapist fantasy.  ELP, like the Who and Hendrix were acting it out.  (Radiohead really picks up where they left off with that theme.) 

i think people blame him Because he was the frontman and his solo stuff is really bland pop and they just assume it was him and hes such an easy target just look at the guy

This picture scares me

ivan_2068 wrote: alan_pfeifer wrote: You know, musicans have  to eat too. Peter Gabriel Steve Hackett Dave Gilmour Roger Waters Ian Anderson Robert Fripp Bill Bruford Tony Levin Steve Howe Rick Wakeman Are not exactly poor Iván

Indeed, and Let's hope they're not

But seriously, why do we blame Collins?  If he destryoed the band and all, then wouldn't the Rutherford and Banks have left the band as well?