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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 15:27

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

I think there are only a handful programs available for PC (EAC, Plextools and one or two others) that make bit perfect copies. No software that comes with CD writers will do this, unless you buy a Plextor (and I wouldn't advise it, because they're much more expensive than others that are just as good).

CDex and the WMP 9+ do that without any problems, provided that they're configured properly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 16:36
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

I think there are only a handful programs available for PC (EAC, Plextools and one or two others) that make bit perfect copies. No software that comes with CD writers will do this, unless you buy a Plextor (and I wouldn't advise it, because they're much more expensive than others that are just as good).


CDex and the WMP 9+ do that without any problems, provided that they're configured properly.

Does WMP do seperate read and write offsets? True, it's the tiniest of alterations that results without it (~a thousandth of a second?), but even with the tiniest of alterations people can feasibly claim they can hear it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2006 at 16:44
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

DONT YOU HEAR THE TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY BETWEEN MP3 AND CD'S

I never noticed the difference. Maybe I should get my ears checked?

 

I have a friend who reckons he hear a clear difference in favour of CDs, much better than me (does't that remind you of the noise created arguing what was better CDs or vinyl). MP3 work fine in non-perfect conditions - e.g. the car player (hey with the amount of background noise, even cassettes sound good in most cars) , walking the dog and the Walkman etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 05:25
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:


DONT YOU HEAR THE TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY BETWEEN MP3 AND CD'S



I never noticed the difference. Maybe I should get my ears checked?



 


I have a friend who reckons he hear a clear difference in favour of CDs, much better than me (does't that remind you of the noise created arguing what was better CDs or vinyl). MP3 work fine in non-perfect conditions - e.g. the car player (hey with the amount of background noise, even cassettes sound good in most cars) , walking the dog and the Walkman etc.



Tape sounds far better than CD, so MP3 easily!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 05:29

^ I'm so glad that the aera of tapes is over ... limited frequency range, dropouts, tape decks running slightly too slow or too fast, tapes getting damaged by magnetic fields, moisture, dust, heat (sun) etc. etc.

Tape sounds awful compared to CD.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 05:45
Oh no Of course, i'm not alluding to the nasty tape player you use in your kitchen...
Knows that these little gems go far further than any CD players.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 05:47

^ hideous pictures of legacy equipment won#t change my opinion. ;-)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 05:50

^ let's continue this vital question in a separate thread:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18050& amp;PN=1&TPN=1

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 05:55

I was talking to a friend of mine who is a hi-fi enthusiast. The bottom line is money. For the amount of money that most of us have to spend, surely a CD player is going to sound better than a tape player. Particularly on the 30 Euro speakers I have.

OliverStoned - I would like to ask you how much money you spend on all your equipment but it's a personal question and of course there's no need to answer. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 05:57
^ tape has certain limitations which cannot be overcome just by using more expensive equipment. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:00
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I'm so glad that the aera of tapes is over ... limited frequency range, dropouts, tape decks running slightly too slow or too fast, tapes getting damaged by magnetic fields, moisture, dust, heat (sun) etc. etc.

... chewed up tapes, tape stretch, tapes so tight that the reels don't turn ....

... but one great thing about tapes is that I have tapes from the eighties and you can still buy tape players cheap in the shops. I have LPs from the eighties but I can't find anywhere to buy a cheap record player. Also, you can't play LPs on the move like you can with tapes.

I have a book about American cars from the 60's and I was amazed to read that some of them had LP players inside.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:03
I tell you, it goes faster, when you use such fantastic -and beautiful- Nakamichi tapedecks- That's all.

-->Bob
Buy a Cd player, any model from the following brand:

-Nad, Rotel, Naim, Rega, Creek, Arcam...

I bought virtually all my equipment on occasion, some of my devices are 10 years old models (like my CD) so it's half price.
For example, my digital set up costed (with cable) about 6000€ new. I paid it 3000€. (I must precise that CD is the most expensive element, along with preamp)

My whole sytem costed me about 8000€.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:17
My Harman Kardon system (amp, cd) with Elac speakers cost me not more than 800 EUR ... and I doubt that your system sounds x10 better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:18
You can even not compare it.
It's day and night...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:21

I paid 30 Euros for my speakers and 40 Euros for the CD player. So the whole system cost 70 Euros. That means that Mike's system should be 10x better and Oliver's 100x better.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:21

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

You can even not compare it.
It's day and night...

Then let me continue to live in the night.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:22
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I paid 30 Euros for my speakers and 40 Euros for the CD player. So the whole system cost 70 Euros. That means that Mike's system should be 10x better and Oliver's 100x better.

 And I'm sure that there's also a system for 80.000 EUR, and the owner is convinced that it is much superior even than Oliver's system.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:23
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

You can even not compare it.
It's day and night...

Then let me continue to live in the night.

If Mike lives in the night, where do I live? Probably under a rock with some slimy slugs.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:30
Actually, price means NOTHING.
Many people owns 100.000 dollars system as musical as a train station.

On another hand, i know people who own incredible systems. The "worst" is a (very rich) man who owns a very big system, including a 150.000 dollars Rockport technology turntable and a Teac Esoteric 150.000 dollars digital set up (composed of 5 boxes, including cables).

I can advice you a whole musical system for 1000 €.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6876&K W=budget

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2006 at 06:35

Certainly it did not mean that the music goes out of tune but what i meant is that the difference between cd and mp3 is like playing a tuned and a untuned guitar...the difference really is that big

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