Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Yes, an open discussion-how not to do it!
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedYes, an open discussion-how not to do it!

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 23456 13>
Author
Message
Certif1ed View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 08 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 7559
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2006 at 03:13

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Judging from Certif1ied's description of Yes music one could bet he's blatant Marillion's fan

 

I don't see how you get that from my description of Yes' music...



Edited by Certif1ed
Back to Top
Ray Lomas View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 187
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2006 at 07:39
I love Yes, they were a great band. I'm not that familiar with their first two albums, I've only heard some tracks from them, but they sound quite good. The Yes Album and CTTE are masterpieces and Relayer is also excellent. I also like 90125 and Big Generator, they are more in the "pop vein" but still quite good.

Is Yes overrated? Well, if Yes is held as the no.1 prog band of all time, then they are a bit overrated to me, since I like more Genesis, JT, Gentle Giant and maybe some other bands too. But Yes is among the greatest prog bands IMO.
Back to Top
Marc Baum View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: September 30 2005
Location: Germany
Status: Offline
Points: 259
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2006 at 12:29

Yes is very indeed a band, which is like a chameleon, you don't know what they do next. They are the ultimate progressive band! No doubt about it. They are also the only band beside King Crimson, which is still around and go on stage from the most important prog bands, which exist since the late 60's (not counting VDGG, because they are were split-up since 1977). YES are PROG DINOSAURS, and that is well deserved. Specially because of their albums through The Yes Album - Tormato (criminally underrated gem).

"All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT
Back to Top
Winter Wine View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 12 2005
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 1140
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 14:37
Originally posted by Marc Baum Marc Baum wrote:

They are also the only band beside King Crimson, which is still around and go on stage from the most important prog bands, which exist since the late 60's (not counting VDGG, because they are were split-up since 1977).

 Yes are still amazing live, if not better!

My computer's broke
Back to Top
SolariS View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 27 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 891
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 15:21

 

anderson's vocals dont do much for me, but i can certainly recognize the talent of steve howe and rick wakeman.

 

Back to Top
micky View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 02 2005
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 46833
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 15:50
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I've never managed to get into Yes - I just don't like the sound of their music, and it completely fails to transport me to any dimension other than annoyance at most of the lyrics, Anderson's awful helium-filled singing style and frankly half-baked Crosby, Stills and Nash style harmonies, and the inability to develop a good groove (which, on the positive side, they often manage to get into).

I first heard Yes decades ago - I borrowed "Relayer" and another album (I forget which) from a friend and taped them. Despite not liking the music, I held onto the tapes and repeatedly gave them a try - without success. I've since acquired all their back catalogue on the original vinyl - but still no joy. Something in there just switches me off completely and makes me wish I was listening to something else.

I could care less about the razor-sharp production, crisp guitar execution, tight drumming and wonderful phat bass sound - the music all seems like overblown, overrated, pretentious drivel and I don't know why I keep giving it additional chances.

Well... you did ask 

So what do you do? Sit there with a lyrics sheet and scoff? That's odd. Half-baked vocal harmonies? eh, right, have you heard their debut? Vocal harmonies don't come much better than Yes. Helium filled voice? Maybe if you sat around all day and listened to Slipknot meets Opeth! Then it would seem like that!!!

Who needs a lyrics sheet?

The ones I can hear are trite enough. Do I really need to quote - I'd bet you know exactly what I'm talking about.

I've heard all of their albums, and the debut has probably the worst harmonies - Anderson sings flat, and don't try telling me he doesn't, because I have perfect pitch. Crosby, Stills and Nash did that years before, and it suited their folky style.

Yes vocal harmonies are very dry and not very imaginative, generally sticking to "safe" options and "step" movement rather than anything particularly interesting - there are thousands of vocal groups that do better harmonies!! Queen walk all over them, even on Radio Ga Ga...

I think "helium-filled" is an appropriate, if slightly caustic way to describe a voice that sits mainly around the high tenor/falsetto register - what's wrong with that? It's higher than average - am I wrong?

Come, come - if you're going to try to argue against what is an invited opinion, you're going to have to do considerably better than that!

Ok you say that they played things safe by keeping things simple, so what? It has to be more complex to be good? You want a band who is always said to have gone over the top, to actually be more technical? Do you like to listen to robots!!!!!!!!! If something works,It works, why in HELL would you purposely try to complicate things!

No matter how much you whine, you can take away the fact that Yes were a truly original band! excellent songwriters, talented musicians and a band who made music that could really send you someplace else!

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would be predictable to give a smart arsed comment. But at the end of the day, I most likely won't care

Now looky here, Winter WHINE, I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are.

I'm NOT saying that more complex is good - in fact, I often believe the opposite to be true.

I hate robotic music. Unless it's supposed to sound robotic, and sounds good.

Your opinion is that Yes's music works. Mine is that it does not.

Yes were not truly original - there, I said it - and it's true. What's more is I can prove it.

Excellent is relative - if I don't like a song, is it still good?

Talent is also relative.

As I said above, the only place their music transports me to is a place of mild annoyance that I'm wasting my time and could be listening to something I actually like.

 

You CANNOT argue with my opinion.

Give up now, while I've still got the gloves on

 





welll I've taken a few shots to the head in my lifetime so you can take the gloves off hahahha.  I'd be curious to see your proof that Yes were not original. I don't doubt you (I know better), I'm just curious  and calling your hand of course.

Great thread BTW Winter Whine...errr... Winter Wine


The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Back to Top
marktheshark View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: April 24 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1695
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 18:32
I was lucky enough to see Yes on the Fragile tour in '71 when I was 14. It was only my 2nd concert, the 1st being Grand Funk Railroad. A friend of mine turned me on to The Yes Album and said they were coming to town and his older brother would take us. Humble Pie opened for them with Frampton still at the lead guitar helm and they were great.

Funny thing is Fragile was a couple months away from being released if memory serves me. But yet they played most of the album and I remember Jon Anderson introducing their new keyboard player where Rick took off and did a little solo spot. Pretty amazing. Being a drummer myself Bruford just knocked me out. I distinctly remember them doing the same "Shave and a Haircut" intro to Perpetual Change that you hear on Yessongs. Must've been a standard opening for that cut.

Anyway, I was pretty hooked enough to see them 4 more times after that. My dream linup for Yes would be:

Jon Anderson
Chris Squire
Steve Howe
Bill Bruford
Patrick Moraz*

* Rick is no doubt incredible, but I think he's just too stuck on classical. Patrick leans more to jazz which is why I like him a little more.

Anybody here with a dream Yes lineup?

Back to Top
Winter Wine View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 12 2005
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 1140
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 18:38

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

I was lucky enough to see Yes on the Fragile tour in '71 when I was 14. It was only my 2nd concert, the 1st being Grand Funk Railroad. A friend of mine turned me on to The Yes Album and said they were coming to town and his older brother would take us. Humble Pie opened for them with Frampton still at the lead guitar helm and they were great.

Funny thing is Fragile was a couple months away from being released if memory serves me. But yet they played most of the album and I remember Jon Anderson introducing their new keyboard player where Rick took off and did a little solo spot. Pretty amazing. Being a drummer myself Bruford just knocked me out. I distinctly remember them doing the same "Shave and a Haircut" intro to Perpetual Change that you hear on Yessongs. Must've been a standard opening for that cut.

Anyway, I was pretty hooked enough to see them 4 more times after that. My dream linup for Yes would be:

Jon Anderson
Chris Squire
Steve Howe
Bill Bruford
Patrick Moraz*

* Rick is no doubt incredible, but I think he's just too stuck on classical. Patrick leans more to jazz which is why I like him a little more.

Anybody here with a dream Yes lineup?

Wow man you're one lucky guy. Yes are one of my favourite prog bands, well them and Zeppelin are my favourite bands ever. And now I don't think there's a chance of me ever seeing them  Really upsetting. I would love to talk to Yes! That would be incredible

My favourite lineup is the "Fragile", "Close to the Edge" period.



Edited by Winter Wine
My computer's broke
Back to Top
Laurent View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: May 04 2005
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 513
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 19:33
I love yes. They are(probably) my favorite band, which is saying something, because I hold a ton of bands in  extremely high regard.

I have everything from the first album to 90125, as well as both the Keys To Ascension albums. I also of Crish Squire's Fish Out Of Water album, as well as Steve Howe's debut solo album, Beginnings(both on vinyl).

As far as I'm concerned, every album from The Yes album to GFTO is an absolute classic.

I

Back to Top
Fragile View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 27 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 1125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 19:57
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

I like the music- but its so very hard for me to like to vocals- Anderson (thats his name right?) sounds border-line womanish to me.

I have told you before your comments on Yes; the greatest prog band on the planet and Jon are asinine.Anderson possesses the greatest voice and still does in rock.If I remember correctly, although I am  not on here regularly you are the the lunatic who dismissed CTTE ;Prog's finest gem.To do so brings into doubt your cerebal activities.At their peak they were untouchable.To allude to Jon in such a fashion is quite obnoxious keeping in mind you are on here with prog intentions.



Edited by Fragile
Back to Top
AfanSpur View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: June 03 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 204
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 20:12

Jon Anderson has a counter tenor voice with warm tonal qualities. His voice sets yes apart from the mainstream of Rock and Prog. One of my big gripes about the canon of prog is that while most bands have exceptional musicians very few have great singers.Recently i saw Thom Yorke embarrass himself live, well thats what i thought , but the masses do not ask questions anymore. It is noticeable when Jon sings live he really concentrates to get things right. See Yessymphonic where Jon is determined to get AYAI just right, and he does. Sometimes Anderson can pitch too high to begin as in Tormato but blemishes are few and far between.

The rest of the band well we could go on for hours. To me there is Rock in all its forms including prog and then there is Yes music. Glorious Yes music see them live and believe!

 

There stands Olias to outward to build a ship
Holding within all we hope to retain
The frame will be so built to challenge the universe
Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain

Back to Top
gok22us View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: March 19 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 219
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 20:50

anyone who dares call any band the best band ever, is wrong. period.

Yes are cool. The Yes Album through Going for the One (with the exception of Tales) are fantastic, among my favorite albums. After that, I only liked maybe 3 songs at most, on every album post-Going for the One.

They seemed to have lost that.....punch, that they had in those early albums from 1971 - 78. They don't have anything to prove anymore...they've already made their statement in the industry.....I personally wouldn't care if they broke up. (it took me a while to come to this opinion though)

Overall, they are one of my favorite bands. I wish Bruford had never left....sure, we'd probably have no Going for the One, or Relayer, or Tales, but maybe we'd have another album that matches the greatness of Close to the Edge. However, i'm also glad Bruford left, because his work in King Crimson might be my favorite stuff ever.

* Has anyone heard the version of Close to the Edge on 'An evening of Yes Music Plus?" It is by FAR my favorite rendition, Bruford's drumming makes the entire piece much more precise, and it gives the song a much more energetic feel then Alan White's performances do.

Back to Top
Rust View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: October 14 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1148
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 21:31

Yes is one of those bands I just cannot get into. Only two of thier albums do it for me, and that's just sometimes. Fragile and Relayer. I love Jon's voice, but god, can't he just once put some good lyrics to go along with that fantastic singing.

I can't get into CTTE because the songs are so meticulous and focus on such fine details it must have got them distracted from the big picture and each song in the end seems boring. The title track seems to have no main melody, and the parts that are uplifting to me are few and end to soon. Wakeman can play a super fast solo, so what? I get nothing out of it. And You and I is my favorite on the album, they did a great job on that one. The final song on the album, Siberian Khatru, is nice but just seems to fast and again to meticulous for me to enjoy, just sounds messy like the title track.

That's my opinion of their most hyped album that I feel does not deserve all the hype, but that is only my opinion, I won't critisize those that express their's.

The Yes album is better than CTTE I think, very good in fact.

I just started checking out TFTO and am trying to get into that, but it is very difficult, The Remembering is my favorite so far. This is a tuff one and I can see why so many people don't like it.

I like Relayer since "Gates" focusses more on melody than CTTE and is not messy, but still is meticulous. Lyrics are good even great for once. Wish Brufford was on it though, he is my favorite drummer. Sound Chaser is nice, it's growing on me more and more. To Be Over is very good and is a much better way to close an album as opposed to Siberian Khatru, nice and easy, not messy at all. I love the melodies on this one the most.

Yes are nice, I give them an 8.5 overall since I am still getting into them, and haven't checked all their stuff out yet. As I understand they aged preety bad like most prog bands. Just another reason why I like Pink Floyd more, they don't have one bad album that I wish wasn't playing, and their are to many times during a Yes album that I wish it was over.

We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
from the heart
Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
Mental self defensive fitness
Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
Back to Top
micky View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 02 2005
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 46833
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 22:05
can understand the lack of love for Tales...

that album took me a good while to really appreciate, but once it hit me it has become (next to my sentimental favorite The Yes Album) my alltime favorite Yes album.  It has everything a Yes fan (or a prog fan) could want.  The Ancient being a perfect example, while I liked Ritual right from the start,  I couldn't stand The Ancient.. however I didn't give up on it and one day..... BAM... it hit me and I  came to love it and it has become my favorite from the album.  One reason we all love prog is the depth and complexity of the music.... don't lose sight of that and condemn and album based on a couple listens, give it some time....I use the 7 listen rule.  Otherwise classics like this or Phaedra (another that didn't 'hit' me at first but did later) would have been missed by myself.
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Back to Top
ChadFromCanada View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 12 2005
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 293
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 22:35
I've become a huge fan of To Be Over from Relayer.  We go sailing down the calming streams...

I'm also hoping to pick up CTTE on CD (The one with the bonus tracks, because they have a cover of S and G's America and an alternative version of my favourite Yes song, And You And I [The version from Yessongs isn't that good]).

I currently have Close to the Edge and Yessongs on vinyl, and Relayer on CD.  I've also borrowed Tales on vinyl and listened to each side once or twice.
Back to Top
micky View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 02 2005
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 46833
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 22:45
Originally posted by ChadFromCanada ChadFromCanada wrote:

I've become a huge fan of To Be Over from Relayer.  We go sailing down the calming streams...

I'm also hoping to pick up CTTE on CD (The one with the bonus tracks, because they have a cover of S and G's America and an alternative version of my favourite Yes song, And You And I [The version from Yessongs isn't that good]).

I currently have Close to the Edge and Yessongs on vinyl, and Relayer on CD.  I've also borrowed Tales on vinyl and listened to each side once or twice.


good call... sort of easy for To Be Over to get overlooked when on the same album as GoD and Soundchaser (love it or hate it).  Next to And You and I, probably the most 'beautiful' song in Yes's catalog.  If looking for America, a heads up that America on CttE is a single edit.  If you are looking for the full extended recording (and trust me... you do) it's on the Fragile Rhino release.
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Back to Top
Asyte2c00 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 15 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2099
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 23:14
Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

Actually I was playing their debut last week and was struck by how fresh and innovative it sounded; it's a lot more focussed and developed than Genesis' debut.

As for 'Topographic...', it's a true masterpiece to me now. I didn't like much from it bar 'Revealing Science Of God; but now I love every song equally. The tribal style climax to 'Ritual' is mindblowing.

 

Rutherford, Collins, Gabriel, and Hackett were still in High school when they released Genesis to Revelation.  Classic Yes lineup were in their early-mid twenties. 

 

Geneis sounded mature and suprsingly introspective considering their youth

Back to Top
micky View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 02 2005
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 46833
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2006 at 23:22
Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

Actually I was playing their debut last week and was struck by how fresh and innovative it sounded; it's a lot more focussed and developed than Genesis' debut.

As for 'Topographic...', it's a true masterpiece to me now. I didn't like much from it bar 'Revealing Science Of God; but now I love every song equally. The tribal style climax to 'Ritual' is mindblowing.

 

Rutherford, Collins, Gabriel, and Hackett were still in High school when they released Genesis to Revelation.  Classic Yes lineup were in their early-mid twenties. 

 

Geneis sounded mature and suprsingly introspective considering their youth



that they did, and don't forget the musicians Anderson, Banks, Squire, and Kaye were old hats at music when Yes was formed. Bruford was really the only new, unseasoned musician at the time of their first album.

Yes's debut is highly charged and a great listen, though the best songs are covers.  The chops were there, the songwriting was to come.
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Back to Top
Winter Wine View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 12 2005
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 1140
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 05:56
^ Best songs were the covers? They wrote Harold Land and Survival! Two classic Yes tracks!
My computer's broke
Back to Top
micky View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 02 2005
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 46833
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 07:20
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

^ Best songs were the covers? They wrote Harold Land and Survival! Two classic Yes tracks!


hmmm... I like those songs but honestly I don't think anything off the debut qualifies as a 'classic' though.  Every Little Thing, and I see You were the two songs that Yes connected with 'live'. Remember, that debut didn't exactly sell all that well hahahahha.  They made their impression on the music scene as a live performing band, and those high octane,  high energy songs were the centerpieces (along with the unreleased at that time.  cover of Something's Coming) of their concerts.
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 23456 13>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.172 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.