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Figglesnout 
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 Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:36 |
i think pink floyd was amazing, all of their work.
they are a prog band with a few mainstream moments.
and you'll maybe want to notice that "money" is the only song i'll ever be able to think of, and probably the only song ever in the top 10 to be in 7/4 almost throughout.
now prog is not just odd times, but it does show that they weren' ordinary in the least.
pink floyd was progressive like it or not...and i'll agree with others stating that Dark Side of the Moon was much more progressive than The Wall, although I love both.
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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Rust
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:33 |
 Froth wrote:
John Gargo wrote:
...at least when it comes to progressive rock.
First off, I know that this kind of a statement will tick off plenty of forum members, and I wouldn't expect otherwise. Pink Floyd are ridiculously popular, within the prog rock realm and with fans of classic rock as a whole. The reason why I think non-prog lovers enthuse over this band (and can't stand stuff like Genesis and Gentle Giant) is because I think only three Pink Floyd albums qualify as progressive. Those three albums are WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, and THE WALL. The rest of their output is decidedly non-prog (falling more along the lines of psychedelic rock), including their most popular (and overrated) album, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.
Forgive me if this topic has been done to death, but I just heard Money on the radio and I had to vent. 
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This may well be your opinion but to be honest, it seems like your just trying to get a big reaction. Pink Floyd were an amazing band, thats why they are popular, no hype. I think this school of proggers who think its 'cool' to hate Pink Floyd are just coldhearted fools who are incaperble of feeling emotion and are only interested in hour long symphoneys feeled with guitar solos and stories of orcs being smitten by Elven warriors in a psuedo-christian, hollywood friendly epic, devoid of wit, intelligence, origionallity and the sort of emotion you find in bands like Pink Floyd. Once you actually live your life, you'll realise there more to than computor games and jive like that and you might understand the ideas behind albums like Dark Side of the Moon. Thats my opinion... would you rather i kept it to myself?
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Couldn't say it better myself, what a sheep he is, likes to follow the flock and hate Pink Floyd because they arn't prog to him, that's a great reason not to like a band.
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We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
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Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
Mental self defensive fitness
Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:13 |
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never been much of a fan of dark side or wish you were here. 50% of those 2 albums sound like commercial stuff. Kind of boring
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Froth
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:09 |
John Gargo wrote:
...at least when it comes to progressive rock.
First off, I know that this kind of a statement will tick off plenty of forum members, and I wouldn't expect otherwise. Pink Floyd are ridiculously popular, within the prog rock realm and with fans of classic rock as a whole. The reason why I think non-prog lovers enthuse over this band (and can't stand stuff like Genesis and Gentle Giant) is because I think only three Pink Floyd albums qualify as progressive. Those three albums are WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, and THE WALL. The rest of their output is decidedly non-prog (falling more along the lines of psychedelic rock), including their most popular (and overrated) album, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.
Forgive me if this topic has been done to death, but I just heard Money on the radio and I had to vent.
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This may well be your opinion but to be honest, it seems like your just trying to get a big reaction. Pink Floyd were an amazing band, thats why they are popular, no hype. I think this school of proggers who think its 'cool' to hate Pink Floyd are just coldhearted fools who are incaperble of feeling emotion and are only interested in hour long symphoneys feeled with guitar solos and stories of orcs being smitten by Elven warriors in a psuedo-christian, hollywood friendly epic, devoid of wit, intelligence, origionallity and the sort of emotion you find in bands like Pink Floyd. Once you actually live your life, you'll realise there more to than computor games and jive like that and you might understand the ideas behind albums like Dark Side of the Moon. Thats my opinion... would you rather i kept it to myself?
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el böthy
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 20:56 |
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If Atom heart mother isnt prog...then I dont know what it is...
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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ANDREW
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 20:12 |
Losendos wrote:
don't agree John
If the first side of Atom Heart Mother isn't prog then what is?
Meddle is a great album and so is Dark side of the moon.
I can't understand the logic of those who can DSOTM .Isn't the great gig in the sky a progressive masterpiece
The wall is much less progressive
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I agree with you!!!
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Rust
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:47 |
Fragile wrote:
Hmmmmmmm, I love alot of Floyd's output but cannot rave as others do on their earlier works.Yes DSOTM is very good album but I much prefer Wish you were here.I do not hold them as highly in the prog echelons as I do others.They are fine musicians but their music is not as complex or involved as other top proggers;nor is it as good.They were always more accepted by the radio djs and media for some reason.Don't know if that was luck or what.But I do know they escaped the great purge in the UK around 1977 that savaged Yes only a year after they,(Yes) had topped every poll imaginable especially the Melody Maker's.This has been a source of discontent for me from that time.I still hold them dearly as they give me great musical pleasure.I loved the Division Bell but I cannot put them at the top of the prog hemisphere. |
Don't worry about Division Bell, it's nice but clearly not prog. They wanted to fully get rid of any of Roger's influence and by doing that they didn't include many new or creative ideas, just nice easy music. They showed that they can make good, not neccesarrily prog, music without Roger. Has it's prog moments though like on "Poles Apart".
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We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
from the heart
Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
Mental self defensive fitness
Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
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Fragile
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:37 |
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Hmmmmmmm, I love alot of Floyd's output but cannot rave as others do on their earlier works.Yes DSOTM is very good album but I much prefer Wish you were here.I do not hold them as highly in the prog echelons as I do others.They are fine musicians but their music is not as complex or involved as other top proggers;nor is it as good.They were always more accepted by the radio djs and media for some reason.Don't know if that was luck or what.But I do know they escaped the great purge in the UK around 1977 that savaged Yes only a year after they,(Yes) had topped every poll imaginable especially the Melody Maker's.This has been a source of discontent for me from that time.I still hold them dearly as they give me great musical pleasure.I loved the Division Bell but I cannot put them at the top of the prog hemisphere.
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:26 |
Pink Floyd Album Breakdown
Psycadelic Rock:
Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Saucerful of Seacrets
Ummagumma (Live)
More
Progressive rock
The Complete Zabriskie Point Sessions
Meddle
Division Bell
Atom Heart Mother
Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
Pop Rock:
The Wall
Momentasry Lapse of Reason
Obscured by Clouds (Its a soundtrack for a fil, so it has to be catchy and appealing to all)
Edited by Asyte2c00
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Drew
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:15 |
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F that- Echoes!
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Losendos
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:15 |
don't agree John
If the first side of Atom Heart Mother isn't prog then what is?
Meddle is a great album and so is Dark side of the moon.
I can't understand the logic of those who can DSOTM .Isn't the great gig in the sky a progressive masterpiece
The wall is much less progressive
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How wonderful to be so profound
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zabriskiepoint
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:14 |
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Meddle is extremely prog.
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krusty
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:10 |
chopper wrote:
They don't come much more prog than DSOTM.
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akin
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:08 |
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Strange, for me, the Wall is one of their least progressive. It´s
conceptual, but not much progressive. The songs are more
straightforward and radio-friendly.
If Atom Heart Mother and Meddle are not progressive, what is?
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rushaholic
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:34 |
John Gargo wrote:
....is because I think only three Pink Floyd albums qualify as progressive. Those three albums are WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, and THE WALL. The rest of their output is decidedly non-prog (falling more along the lines of psychedelic rock), including their most popular (and overrated) album, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.
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Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! You make a statement like that and it makes me wonder if you even know what "progressive" even means. DSOTM is one of the greatest prog rock albums of all time. Yea, you say it is overrated (I disagree) but it doesn't matter. It is still a prog rock masterpiece. Have you even heard it all the way through, not just listening to Money on some FM station? Have you heard Atom Heart Mother or Meddle all the way through? You are entitled to your opinion but my opinion of yours is that it is a joke.
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The Doctor
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:23 |
John Gargo wrote:
...at least when it comes to progressive rock.
First off, I know that this kind of a statement will tick off plenty of forum members, and I wouldn't expect otherwise. Pink Floyd are ridiculously popular, within the prog rock realm and with fans of classic rock as a whole. The reason why I think non-prog lovers enthuse over this band (and can't stand stuff like Genesis and Gentle Giant) is because I think only three Pink Floyd albums qualify as progressive. Those three albums are WISH YOU WERE HERE, ANIMALS, and THE WALL. The rest of their output is decidedly non-prog (falling more along the lines of psychedelic rock), including their most popular (and overrated) album, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON.
Forgive me if this topic has been done to death, but I just heard Money on the radio and I had to vent.
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I think you're forgetting such progressive works as Echoes and Atom Heart Mother. Let us not forget The Narrow Way, Grantchester Meadows, Saucerful of Secrets, Us and Them and so on. These are epic (or mini-epic) prog tracks all the way.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:19 |
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disagree... no need to say anything more, covered by everyone above
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 18:09 |
Certif1ed wrote:
I'd agree with arcer, but I'd say everything from "Piper..." through to "Final Cut" is great.
Maybe "More" isn't so great, "AMH" has weak spots (Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast), and "Final Cut" is a bit like The Wall part II, but everything else shows a band strongly progressing and writing very strong and genre-defining Prog Rock - with only a handful of songs (mostly on "Piper...") as exceptions.
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I agree, though I think TFC and "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" are excellent. Pink Floyd were always making PROGRESSIVE abums until TFC. Ehn...the term is useless anyway. 
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Emiaj
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:24 |
I've just gave away your 3 Floyd albums worth a damn
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Publius84
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 17:16 |
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Floyd's are great. I love them and nothing/noone's gonna change that.
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