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Paulieg

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Posted: January 15 2006 at 12:04

ECCHY!!

The Ryan

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Posted: January 15 2006 at 15:11

Inferno wrote:

If Dredg is here, Coheed should definetely be here!!

They are part of why the Prog scene could come back to life with other bands like Muse, Oceansize, Dredg and mostly Mars volta!!

Dredg being here does not justify putting Coheed on here as well.

As for prog coming back to life, nobody wants to hear more teeny-bopper prog/neo-prog (Except you weirdos ). That would be just another fad in the critic/public eye, such as 80's hair metal or American pop-star groups. I'd like to see jazz/fusion, symphonic, canterbury, and so on come back to life. The kind of prog that doesn't sound like it was made by whiney teenagers. Above all though, if progressive rock is to steal the spotlight yet again after 30 or 40 some odd years, I would like to see it done in such a way where the leading prog-groups of our time are completely original - not draw influences from what's already popular now (Coheed, Muse are both guilty for having that already popular sound). Coheed and Cambria as well as Muse fit in well now, and people here seem to buy the sound. Did Yes fit in during the early 70's? Did Pink Floyd fit in? Did any creators of progressive music fit in initially? That's okay if you enjoy these bands, you have freedom, but I wouldn't call it a revival, it is after all a blend of rock and mainstream radio-music, rather than a blend of whatever the hell you call the kings (Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson, and so on) of prog rock. Those who strictly listen to progressive music done progressively will not buy into Coheed and Cambria, nor the couple Muse album's I've heard - at least not from a progressive standpoint.

And then you're going to argue "aren't we moving forward because Muse and Coheed and Cambria are different?!" The answer is: not really. I covered this already though, they fit in fine now, and since that is the case how are we moving progressive rock further? Find me a band that sounds like The Mars Volta, and there's the difference - there is prog-rock done in a truly progressive manner in this new century we have to shape.

Sorry I disagree with glorifying these mainstream teeny-bands.

I want quality again...

The Ryan

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Posted: January 15 2006 at 15:24

mysterygoo wrote:

Since this has been brought up 400 times it seems like they'd just give in and add them, even the singer calls them prog. I'd also love to see the reviews of their albums on here.

Some common, though not universal, elements of progressive rock include:

Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp. These are often described as epics and are the genre's clearest nod to classical music. An early example is the 23-minute "Echoes" by Pink Floyd. Other famous examples include Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" (43 minutes), Yes' "Close to the Edge" (18 minutes) and Genesis' "Supper's Ready" (23 minutes). More recent extreme examples are the 60-minute "Light of Day, Day of Darkness" by Green Carnation and "Garden of Dreams" by The Flower Kings.

check. many songs are near 10 minutes.

10 Minutes? What about every jazz album ever released. Are they part-progressive rock? Length alone means nothing, although I understand your point, somewhat true.

Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives, covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion, war, love, and madness. Many early 1970s progressive rock bands (especially German ones) featured lyrics concerned with left-wing politics and social issues.

check. their albums are based on a science fiction story

concept albums: check. theyre all concept albums.

Ah yes, the concept issue. R. Kelly's latest album (the one focusing on cheating, a closet, and a gun) has a concept. Is R. Kelly partially a progressive artist? ALthough I understand your point, somewhat true.

Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies. See Magma, Robert Wyatt, and Gentle Giant.

check

Led Zeppelin has unusual vocals, as well as Black Sabbath. Do any of my suggestions qualify for progressive-rock yet? Although once again, you have a small point, but only a small one.

Prominent use of electronic instrumentation — particularly keyboard instruments such as the organ, piano, Mellotron, and Moog synthesizer, in addition to the usual rock combination of electric guitar, bass and drums.

check, kind of. a few of their songs have keyboards.

Oh jesus, how many albums feature electronic instrumentation, you know? Classic rock applies to this perfectly.

An aesthetic linking the music with visual art, a trend started by The Beatles with Sgt. Pepper's and enthusiastically embraced during the prog heyday.

check. they have comic books based on the albums.

I'm sure R. Kelly did too.

I'm a fan obviously, I'd just like to see them on here.

So I understand you're a fan and that's fine. I don't blame you, but there is a difference between what you enjoy and what is prog-rock. The point of me being an @sshole today is to point that everything you just said goes both ways. Though you do have valid points, it's the actual style of music that Coheed and Cambria create that in the end limits them to what they are now. They are not just a rock-band of course, but since when has progressive-rock sounded like it could be featured on MTV?

Italic bold = me

It came to my attention last year, and the year before, that progressive rock is never-ending, constantly there is a new band out there doing something many people believe to be progressive and prog-rock. Because of the constant change and the reinventing of the grey-lines presented on this website regarding what makes one group 'prog', the rules will not ALWAYS apply. Perhaps Coheed and Cambria is somewhere inbetween, say "Prog-Related", but my personal tastes and fear of the man (MTV) refuses to go along with this "add Coheed and Cambria to the website now!" thing. I've got more reason than that though, if you read what else I wrote.

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Posted: January 15 2006 at 15:27