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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ how can anyone think that Lateralus is not the best Tool album ... especially from a prog point of view? 

........especially from ANY POINT OF VIEW........



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Originally posted by IcedSabbath IcedSabbath wrote:

If you're talking about the decline of prog metal bands, you must also mention Opeth. Their last album, from what I've heard, is pretty weak!


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It seems like Tool releases an album every three to five years. What happened to the good old days when bands would release top quality albums every year or so? I don't know how you Tool fans have the patience. They are way too slow.
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^ how can anyone think that Lateralus is not the best Tool album ... especially from a prog point of view? 
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Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Originally posted by xjester xjester wrote:

Originally posted by OLAK! OLAK! wrote:

I liked octavarium when i firs heard it. It was the first DT album i ever heard, and i thought it was beautiful. Oh how horribly wrong i was. Octavarium is probably the worst album i've heard by DT other than When Dream And Day Unite. It's bad for DT but if it was released by another band it would be that band's best album.

I would say TooL are a great band, constatntly getting better. So is Pain Of Salvation.

 

 

Now if one considers The Mars Volta to be metal, as some people do, then we have nothing to worry about.

I dissagree. I love tool, but IMO, their cds have been going down ever since undertow. not to say thay AEnima and Lateralus wernt great, but they just dont hold up quite like undertow 

I disagree with your disagreement.

I figured most people would, but let me also say that i feel that they have been declining, but i by no means am saying they have fallen.  I just think that heir later albums dont hold up, because undertow was so well done, they had very little room for improvment.  But let me also say that i am eagerly anticipating teir new album this year.
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Originally posted by xjester xjester wrote:

Originally posted by OLAK! OLAK! wrote:

I liked octavarium when i firs heard it. It was the first DT album i ever heard, and i thought it was beautiful. Oh how horribly wrong i was. Octavarium is probably the worst album i've heard by DT other than When Dream And Day Unite. It's bad for DT but if it was released by another band it would be that band's best album.

I would say TooL are a great band, constatntly getting better. So is Pain Of Salvation.

 

 

Now if one considers The Mars Volta to be metal, as some people do, then we have nothing to worry about.

I dissagree. I love tool, but IMO, their cds have been going down ever since undertow. not to say thay AEnima and Lateralus wernt great, but they just dont hold up quite like undertow 

I disagree with your disagreement.
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Originally posted by OLAK! OLAK! wrote:

I liked octavarium when i firs heard it. It was the first DT album i ever heard, and i thought it was beautiful. Oh how horribly wrong i was. Octavarium is probably the worst album i've heard by DT other than When Dream And Day Unite. It's bad for DT but if it was released by another band it would be that band's best album.

I would say TooL are a great band, constatntly getting better. So is Pain Of Salvation.

 

 

Now if one considers The Mars Volta to be metal, as some people do, then we have nothing to worry about.

I dissagree. I love tool, but IMO, their cds have been going down ever since undertow. not to say thay AEnima and Lateralus wernt great, but they just dont hold up quite like undertow 
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

The last 2 Fates Warning studio albums Disconnected (2000)and FWX (2004) were EXCELLENT - no loss in quality AT ALL

there's a different approach

they sound a bit 'boring' to my ears, because I believe FW found this modern 'pattern' and keep repeating themselves after Apsog
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The last 2 Fates Warning studio albums Disconnected (2000)and FWX (2004) were EXCELLENT - no loss in quality AT ALL
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opeth, mastodon, job for a cowboy, dillinger escape plan, the red chord, fantomas.... tons of awesome stuff

listen to Hella
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I liked octavarium when i firs heard it. It was the first DT album i ever heard, and i thought it was beautiful. Oh how horribly wrong i was. Octavarium is probably the worst album i've heard by DT other than When Dream And Day Unite. It's bad for DT but if it was released by another band it would be that band's best album.

I would say TooL are a great band, constatntly getting better. So is Pain Of Salvation.

 

 

Now if one considers The Mars Volta to be metal, as some people do, then we have nothing to worry about.

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Wanna great upcoming prog metal band? Check out Lord Of Mushrooms!!! Silly name..yet serious where it counts.

http://loloprog.free.fr/Anglais/a%20LIEN%20A.htm 



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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again.


Progressive rock isn't so much about virtuosity as it is creativity...  songs like Lines In The Sand and Trial Of Tears represent some of DT's most creative ideas and execution.


I agree. Especially Trial of Tears, what a beautiful song, probably my 3rd favorite Dream Theater track of all time.

To answer the question of this thread, I don't think Prog Metal is going down. In fact, its going up. Look at these new bands!

I agree, but this is not the question of this thread...

Oh, I know, I know, I'm just kinda all whacked up today!

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

My main issue with Dream Theater is that they have this deep, deep love for lifting riffs from other bands.  Octavarium (the track) is meant to reference lots of bands, that's true, but does the "big ending" have to be the same "big ending" that Kansas' 'The Wall' uses? 

My issue with Octavarium is that it is the album where they rip off other bands most blatantly, yet some people say that it is their favorite DT album or even the only DT album they like. And at the same time an album like ToT where they do few ripping off (except Metallica) gets bashed.

Most of you guys know by now how i feel about DT.  I Love ToT. Stream of Conciesneces is my 2nd fav DT song (behind Home).

I Also will say that i really like Octavarium. The title track is amazing, i love These Walls for some reason, and panic attack was amazing live. the reason they reference so many bands on that album it's an extention of circular continuity (things comming full circle) by showing the influences their music came from.

And as for FII...as a whole, i cant stand it. But I love Trial of Tears., so who  knows?

 
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Originally posted by Rising Force Rising Force wrote:

Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

Originally posted by Rising Force Rising Force wrote:

It's ok, we have Symphony X and Planet X now. 


Planet X makes Dream Theater sound like blink 182





Damn straight.
 

I wouldnt go that far. IMO they are both incredible but totally differnet. DT is Prog  metal and it sounds like Yes fused wtih mettalica( not exactly..but it simple terms...) Planet X is Prog Fusion and sounds more like Chickcorea+ Weather Report+ dt+ LTE+ metalica( same thing, jsut simple terms...)

 

but as for death! I tinhk not.

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again.


Progressive rock isn't so much about virtuosity as it is creativity...  songs like Lines In The Sand and Trial Of Tears represent some of DT's most creative ideas and execution.


I agree. Especially Trial of Tears, what a beautiful song, probably my 3rd favorite Dream Theater track of all time.

To answer the question of this thread, I don't think Prog Metal is going down. In fact, its going up. Look at these new bands!

I agree, but this is not the question of this thread...

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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again.


Progressive rock isn't so much about virtuosity as it is creativity...  songs like Lines In The Sand and Trial Of Tears represent some of DT's most creative ideas and execution.


I agree. Especially Trial of Tears, what a beautiful song, probably my 3rd favorite Dream Theater track of all time.

To answer the question of this thread, I don't think Prog Metal is going down. In fact, its going up. Look at these new bands!

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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:


Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

My issue with Octavarium is that it is the album where they rip off other bands most blatantly, yet some people say that it is their favorite DT album or even the only DT album they like. And at the same time an album like ToT where they do few ripping off (except Metallica) gets bashed.



Heh, yeah...  though listen to the intro to Endless Sacrifice, then the intro to Michael Jackson's "Give In To Me" and proceed to cry.

I have 14 Michael jackson albums (Napster) but not that song ... so I can't comment. But I'm willing to bet that the similarity is accidental.



Decide for yourself.

It makes me cry ... because Michael Jackson doesn't sing properly in tune with the guitar, not because of the similarity. The third chord is different, and the arpeggiated melody in the first chord is a commonplace melody ... free game for everyone to use.  You'll find ripped phrases on that level even on very unique sounding albums ... Fantomas for example rip off John Zorn pretty obviously (and it's ok).
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Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again.

I agree, and not just in terms of virtuosity, that's not the point

for me, it's creativity that is missing from this album, there are of course some exceptions...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:


Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

My issue with Octavarium is that it is the album where they rip off other bands most blatantly, yet some people say that it is their favorite DT album or even the only DT album they like. And at the same time an album like ToT where they do few ripping off (except Metallica) gets bashed.



Heh, yeah...  though listen to the intro to Endless Sacrifice, then the intro to Michael Jackson's "Give In To Me" and proceed to cry.

I have 14 Michael jackson albums (Napster) but not that song ... so I can't comment. But I'm willing to bet that the similarity is accidental.



Decide for yourself.
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