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Points: 540 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2006 at 11:55

Eh. It's just ratings, I guess. Just read the reviews and forget about averages. We could just remove the average scores, btw.

Nobody came to this before?
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Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

OK, this has been pissing me off. A reviewer going by the name of "tamtam" has been giving many many albums with an extremely high rating one star when nearly everyone else on that album reviewed it highly. I think five star ratings without reviews should go too, as you don't know if it's the same person or whatever. I mean, "tamtam" took Dredg's El Cielo down to rank 200 something with a one star review, just gave Devin Townsend's Synchestra a two star review, nearly bringing it down out of the five star area whereas EVERY OTHER REVIEWER gave it five stars. He gave Terria 2 stars as well. This is just one example of someone who is knocking albums for no known reason. If you don't like an album that EVERYONE else loves, JUSTIFY IT. Reviews without text should not be allowed, period.

Upon further searching, tamtam also gave CttE 2 stars, The Snow Goose and Relayer 1 star, and SFAM 2 stars. Whether you agree or not doesn't matter, these are all without reviews. Admittedly, he gave Red five stars, but in a way that's just as bad as he could just buffing his favorite bands and knocking others.



Tamtam is one of a group of King Crimson and Van Der Graaf lovers (jordisubir, oscarn and carles are some of the others) who made an effort (possibly coordinated) to distort the ratings a few months ago by giving KC and VDGG albums 5* ratings whilst sl*gging off anything around them in the chart with a 1 or 2* review. I have been watching this for a while; all their ratings were without review and arrived with a strikingly similar pattern in the space of a few days. I suspect they may be the same person. The latest culprit is zabrieskipdsointw who is trying the same tactic with Pink Floyd albums: of the top 30 he has rated 17 albums; 14 at 1* and 3 (all Floyd) at 5*.

Yet my son, who wants to rate some albums can't because he can't review on the computer I have used since we have the same IP!!!
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Points: 415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2006 at 22:30

Yep, ratings without a review should go (probably said this a thousand times by now). By the way check this out:

RICK WAKEMAN "The Burning (Film Soundtrack)" ratings
(ratings only or wih reviews of 200 or less characters)

2 stars Rating by René Debot @ 10:35:15 AM EST, 2/18/2004

1 stars Rating by Gorgorone! @ 9:32:18 AM EST, 10/22/2005

1 stars Rating by Dirty Mouth @ 4:15:33 AM EST, 10/23/2005

1 stars Rating by Girella @ 1:30:52 PM EST, 10/24/2005

1 stars Rating by Goroggo @ 9:52:40 AM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by jijjo @ 3:51:15 PM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by Oppola @ 2:57:06 PM EST, 10/28/2005

1 stars Rating by Lord Shamino Salle Dacil @ 9:12:48 PM EST, 11/1/2005

1 stars Rating by Oasdom! @ 12:38:41 PM EST, 11/2/2005

That's quite mean

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Points: 540 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 04:25
Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

Yep, ratings without a review should go (probably said this a thousand times by now). By the way check this out:

RICK WAKEMAN "The Burning (Film Soundtrack)" ratings
(ratings only or wih reviews of 200 or less characters)

2 stars Rating by René Debot @ 10:35:15 AM EST, 2/18/2004

1 stars Rating by Gorgorone! @ 9:32:18 AM EST, 10/22/2005

1 stars Rating by Dirty Mouth @ 4:15:33 AM EST, 10/23/2005

1 stars Rating by Girella @ 1:30:52 PM EST, 10/24/2005

1 stars Rating by Goroggo @ 9:52:40 AM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by jijjo @ 3:51:15 PM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by Oppola @ 2:57:06 PM EST, 10/28/2005

1 stars Rating by Lord Shamino Salle Dacil @ 9:12:48 PM EST, 11/1/2005

1 stars Rating by Oasdom! @ 12:38:41 PM EST, 11/2/2005

That's quite mean

Perfect example of a total abuse.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 06:59

From Wakeman's official website:

Wakey's Verdict
One for the collectors - but not really anybody else!!

I don't believe there is evidence of "abuse" in the ratings here.

 
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 07:16

There is a really simple explanation for why there might be more negative ratings without reviews than positive ones:

People don't bother to go to great lengths to describe why they DON'T like an album. I recently did a 2 star review, and I remember that it was a painfull process because it required me to listen to the whole album again in order to exactly explain why I don't like it.
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Points: 3597 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 08:32

I'm all for a radical treatment concerning these corrupted ratings!
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Points: 20273 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 15:16
Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

Yep, ratings without a review should go (probably said this a thousand times by now). By the way check this out:

RICK WAKEMAN "The Burning (Film Soundtrack)" ratings
(ratings only or wih reviews of 200 or less characters)

2 stars Rating by René Debot @ 10:35:15 AM EST, 2/18/2004

1 stars Rating by Gorgorone! @ 9:32:18 AM EST, 10/22/2005

1 stars Rating by Dirty Mouth @ 4:15:33 AM EST, 10/23/2005

1 stars Rating by Girella @ 1:30:52 PM EST, 10/24/2005

1 stars Rating by Goroggo @ 9:52:40 AM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by jijjo @ 3:51:15 PM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by Oppola @ 2:57:06 PM EST, 10/28/2005

1 stars Rating by Lord Shamino Salle Dacil @ 9:12:48 PM EST, 11/1/2005

1 stars Rating by Oasdom! @ 12:38:41 PM EST, 11/2/2005

That's quite mean

The first one by Rene Debot is not a fake or without text review. He was among the very first collabs named by M@X , but he got demoted for lack of participation in over two years now. Maybe his review is less than 50 words.

 

As for the ratings on Wakeman, most of his albums are at best worthy of two stars except for 6 wives.

The man with the stardust sprinkled cape and his stupid Rock On Ice Tour are really the main cause for Prog's bed name.
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Points: 19499 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 18:37
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

Yep, ratings without a review should go (probably said this a thousand times by now). By the way check this out:

RICK WAKEMAN "The Burning (Film Soundtrack)" ratings
(ratings only or wih reviews of 200 or less characters)

2 stars Rating by René Debot @ 10:35:15 AM EST, 2/18/2004

1 stars Rating by Gorgorone! @ 9:32:18 AM EST, 10/22/2005

1 stars Rating by Dirty Mouth @ 4:15:33 AM EST, 10/23/2005

1 stars Rating by Girella @ 1:30:52 PM EST, 10/24/2005

1 stars Rating by Goroggo @ 9:52:40 AM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by jijjo @ 3:51:15 PM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by Oppola @ 2:57:06 PM EST, 10/28/2005

1 stars Rating by Lord Shamino Salle Dacil @ 9:12:48 PM EST, 11/1/2005

1 stars Rating by Oasdom! @ 12:38:41 PM EST, 11/2/2005

That's quite mean

The first one by Rene Debot is not a fake or without text review. He was among the very first collabs named by M@X , but he got demoted for lack of participation in over two years now. Maybe his review is less than 50 words.

 

As for the ratings on Wakeman, most of his albums are at best worthy of two stars except for 6 wives.

The man with the stardust sprinkled cape and his stupid Rock On Ice Tour are really the main cause for Prog's bed name.

Its interesting if you have a look at the datesof those reviews, from Gorgorone down....a day apart each time... I'm not saying I smell a rat, but certainly a large mouse...it could be that the email addresses have a pattern, and that one or two people with too much time on their hands had it in for Rick Wakeman...(have you checked his other solo works??)
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Points: 19499 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 18:48

yeah, it's as I thought...the above are all:

  • Italian hotmail addresses
  • All give ratings to the same albums
  • Are all rated either 1 or 5 (with a couple of 2's thrown in for good measure)
  • All rated on the same day, for each 'member'

I'll have a word with Bob about this one; its clearly been done to bias the ratings...
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Points: 20273 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2006 at 06:39
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

The first one by Rene Debot is not a fake or without text review. He was among the very first collabs named by M@X , but he got demoted for lack of participation in over two years now. Maybe his review is less than 50 words.

 

As for the ratings on Wakeman, most of his albums are at best worthy of two stars except for 6 wives.

Its interesting if you have a look at the datesof those reviews, from Gorgorone down....a day apart each time... I'm not saying I smell a rat, but certainly a large mouse...it could be that the email addresses have a pattern, and that one or two people with too much time on their hands had it in for Rick Wakeman...(have you checked his other solo works??)

I think you might have a point, the dates are grouped a little too close together to be truthfully legitimate.

But let's think about how sick a man can be about inventing everytime a new identity just to rate badly a few Wakeman albums

This guy must not have a life at all

Even I do not hate Wakeman that much to want to give a completely uninteresting album a ratinglet alone a review - this would have to mean i would have to ren,t it first and waste my precious time on it
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Points: 19499 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2006 at 07:13
^^there are some very sick people out there, Hugues....
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Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

Yep, ratings without a review should go (probably said this a thousand times by now). By the way check this out:

RICK WAKEMAN "The Burning (Film Soundtrack)" ratings
(ratings only or wih reviews of 200 or less characters)

2 stars Rating by René Debot @ 10:35:15 AM EST, 2/18/2004

1 stars Rating by Gorgorone! @ 9:32:18 AM EST, 10/22/2005

1 stars Rating by Dirty Mouth @ 4:15:33 AM EST, 10/23/2005

1 stars Rating by Girella @ 1:30:52 PM EST, 10/24/2005

1 stars Rating by Goroggo @ 9:52:40 AM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by jijjo @ 3:51:15 PM EST, 10/25/2005

1 stars Rating by Oppola @ 2:57:06 PM EST, 10/28/2005

1 stars Rating by Lord Shamino Salle Dacil @ 9:12:48 PM EST, 11/1/2005

1 stars Rating by Oasdom! @ 12:38:41 PM EST, 11/2/2005

That's quite mean



I'm sorry,but The Burning does actually deserve 1* star...


 
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2006 at 09:04

There are other checks in place such as the IP address to minimise multiple ratings. I have to ask though, why would anyone want to manipulate the ratings for this album.

The answer to the ratings without reviews lies with how the site treats them for influence on average ratings, charts etc. I don't try to moderate the ratings given with reviews, and I adopt the same policy for ratings without reviews. Only if there is a clear abuse such as 50 one star ratings and one five star rating for the top 50 albums would I feel intervention is warranted. As it stands at the moment, the site accepts ratings without reviews. We must therefore assume that the ratings given have been arrived at honestly.
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Points: 606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2006 at 10:37
The only possibility against multiple ratings, are user-names. In the forum it would be good as well.
Don't use the IP, simply use the account, so that someone
can only vote once, except he registers again and again...

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