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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:57

Ive just listened to Meshuggah's "Catch 33" and Coheed's "Secrets" back-to-back.I'm not suggesting they are similar but I couldnt detect any more Prog-merit in Meshuggah compared to C&C to be honest.

They are, in my opinion, prog-related and therefore whilst not a Prog Rock band they do merit inclusion....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:49
They're not reinventing prog ... but they do incorporate an EMO vibe into the music, which makes them somewhat unique as a band with 1 1/2 feet in the progressive territory (so to speak).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:30
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by king16 king16 wrote:

^ they have to much in common with prog to be dismissed to the 'catch-all' genre Prog-Related. I'd say the  description of Art Rock fits them nice!  Maybe a small twist of Experimental?

there's nothing experimental about them... theyre not doing anything new.  art rock fits i suppose.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:29

Originally posted by king16 king16 wrote:

^ they have to much in common with prog to be dismissed to the 'catch-all' genre Prog-Related. I'd say the  description of Art Rock fits them nice!  Maybe a small twist of Experimental?

there's nothing experimental about them... theyre not doing anything new.  art rock fits i suppose.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:20
Art Rock fits them better
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 09:58
^ they have to much in common with prog to be dismissed to the 'catch-all' genre Prog-Related. I'd say the  description of Art Rock fits them nice!  Maybe a small twist of Experimental?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 23:23

i was more of the opinion that thery should be under "prog-metal", though it definatly doesnt fit them to a Tee. At least from the songs i heard, (and very much enjoyed by the way). Maybe "prog-related" would be better. actually i believe that would be a very good sub genre for them. And i have to add... a friend of mine purchased "In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3" and i absolutly love a few of their songs. i think prog-archives should defiatly add them to the site. now i've said my piece, thanks...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 01:04
^agreed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 19:55
Art Rock, hands down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 19:42

As a short note... under what subgenre of the progarchives database would you like to see them included? Please look at the genre descriptions when deciding.

I agree that they should be included though no matter what!  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 10:07
from the above site, download welcome home or the crowing

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 06:50
There are a few MP3 samples here for those interested
http://music.download.com/coheedandcambria/3600-8709_32-1001 30220.html



MikeEnRegalia :- You might want to add the above to your MP3 sample database site.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2006 at 19:58
they are definitely prog. "A favor house atlantic" and "blood red summer" do them no justice (although i do enjoy the catchiness) moatilata was right in that the story and mood of the songs go along together.

even if they arent listed as prog on this site, theyre definitely a great band that is unfortunately being bundled up with pop bands like falloutboy and howthorne hieghts while they should be over there with the mars volta. and system of a down should stop touring with mars volta.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2006 at 19:21
I have listened to two of their albums the last couple of days and I sure vote in favour of their addition to the site!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 17:47

'though I do not know their music, as someone has said to me in the past... we (= ProgArchives) would be relatively stupid not to include bands that are generally regarded as prog rock/metal bands.

Maybe the problem is that no-one has taken the time to write a biography for them? Or are they totally rejected?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 14:05
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

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They're rather better at pop music than prog, whichever way you look at it

Agree- would NOT like to see them on this site. They sound like 100 others poppy high school bands

They do not. You must have falsely assumed that by only listening to their singles and such.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 13:46

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

They're rather better at pop music than prog, whichever way you look at it

Agree- would NOT like to see them on this site. They sound like 100 others poppy high school bands

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 01:18

Originally posted by TheOracleIV TheOracleIV wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

After months of internal debate about this band, I finally figured out why simultaneously I love and hate them.  They are a progressive rock band.  They write solid, entertaining songs.  However, I think they incorporate all of the lame, embarrassing, excessive parts of prog (i.e. extremely high vocals, disgustingly long song/album titles, and a general flair for the bombastic), and few of the real progressive elements.  Also, I can't really decide if they take themselves seriously or not.  By reading the comics and listening to the albums alone, you might think they are actually serious about their music, but watching their music videos and live shows, you might think otherwise.


About "taking themselves seriously" Claudio actually said Coheed and Cambria started off as kind of a joke after their first band "Shabutie" fell through. Which is probably why their first album Second Stage Turbine Blade doesn't sound very "proggy", but after that became so popular it seems they've changed their style to make it a lot more progressive with In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3.

I think they should be added to the archives, I've listened to bands on here that were a lot less progressive then they were.
 

The Second Stage Turbine Blade may not sound as "proggy," but I think it's just as good as the other work.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2005 at 15:32
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

After months of internal debate about this band, I finally figured out why simultaneously I love and hate them.  They are a progressive rock band.  They write solid, entertaining songs.  However, I think they incorporate all of the lame, embarrassing, excessive parts of prog (i.e. extremely high vocals, disgustingly long song/album titles, and a general flair for the bombastic), and few of the real progressive elements.  Also, I can't really decide if they take themselves seriously or not.  By reading the comics and listening to the albums alone, you might think they are actually serious about their music, but watching their music videos and live shows, you might think otherwise.


About "taking themselves seriously" Claudio actually said Coheed and Cambria started off as kind of a joke after their first band "Shabutie" fell through. Which is probably why their first album Second Stage Turbine Blade doesn't sound very "proggy", but after that became so popular it seems they've changed their style to make it a lot more progressive with In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3.

I think they should be added to the archives, I've listened to bands on here that were a lot less progressive then they were.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 09:37
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I currently have their latest album in my car, but I've only heard the first 3 or 4 tracks so far, so I cannot comment, but I will give the album two or three listens.  The first track was interesting and reasonably progressive I would say.

My friend likes them and is now into Rush as well, so they certainly are not a bad thing for prog rock, they are helping the genre.


I mentioned in another forum that I think C&C belong in the Prog realm.  I think they are pushing limits by today's Modern Rock standards towards Prog Rock.  I certainly hear enough elements that show they are very creative in this genre.  If Radiohead can be considered Prog and C&C not, I fail to see the reasoning.  Both bands produce Modern Rock that is outside the boundaries of this genre.

Do these bands create a new genre of Progressive Modern Rock? 

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