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    Posted: December 30 2005 at 21:49
(i apologize beforehand if this was brought up earlier)

a simple thought crossed my mind with a chainsaw. just a
modest impulse for wondering: what if...
What if Russia had its true prog band... I'm talking about seventies, about the golden age.
I came to think of it after listening to Italian prog, which is mostly sypmhonic; i started to consider their classical music roots (Verdi, Rossini). Then i turned to germany and their traditions (Brahms, Beethoven). Finally, eventually and inevitably i remembered Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, Rachmaninov, Prokofiev, etc. a musically rich country supressed by politcal circumstances. what could have been?...

and the second part: what is Russia worth in prog?
do they have any prog history and what can be said about it?

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I've talked with some Russian prog fans before, they have some good groups, but I don't remember anything of note coming out during the 'golden age'. I'll ask next time I run into them. It certainly has the 'progressive' tradition musically. Remember a post by Ivan highlighting that perfectly a couple of months ago.
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 22:24

I am a Russian prog fan lived there for the most of my life, before moving to US

Russia is horrible by the means of prog. There is "Russian Rock", a weird sub genre of primitive straightforward rock. There are some"Russian metal" bands too, that just rip off western metal greats. I think most of it sucks, except the band Aquarium who are pretty proggy at times, but also have a lot of reggae. I like them mostly for their beautiful lyrics, but since none of you understand Russian, you will probably not like it.
I haven't heard of any golden age prog to come out of there...
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 22:29
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I am a Russian prog fan lived there for the most of my life, before moving to US

Russia is horrible by the means of prog. There is "Russian Rock", a weird sub genre of primitive straightforward rock. There are some"Russian metal" bands too, that just rip off western metal greats. I think most of it sucks, except the band Aquarium who are pretty proggy at times, but also have a lot of reggae. I like them mostly for their beautiful lyrics, but since none of you understand Russian, you will probably not like it.
I haven't heard of any golden age prog to come out of there...



I don't understand a word of Italian and Kobaian either that never stopped me hahahah. I believe I've heard Aquarium, had some stuff sent to me.  There are a couple Russian and Polish prog fans that occasionally visit the chat site that I normally post in.
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Yes, Aquarium is awesome! They have a lot of indian instruments and indian music, because the leader is deeply into Buddist philosophy, he's even been to Tibet!

I just checked the archives, there are 11 Russian bands there:

http://www.progarchives.com/Band-list.asp?country=168
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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Yes, Aquarium is awesome! They have a lot of indian instruments and indian music, because the leader is deeply into Buddist philosophy, he's even been to Tibet!

I just checked the archives, there are 11 Russian bands there:

http://www.progarchives.com/Band-list.asp?country=168



that had to be what I heard then,  I really liked it (though I really enjoy Indian inspired music).   Will have to track down an album.
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2005 at 23:08
I'd recommend something from 87+, early stuff is too experimental and not that good.  Full discography is here
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Russia may not have golden age of progressive rock, but I own many Russian progressive albums and I know a lot of masterpieces. Also I saw there were many rock albums on Melodiya's catalogue in 1980s and 1990s. Absolutely Russia is not a desert.

I own Avtograf, Horizont, Eduard Artemiev, Sepsis, Little Trgedies, Araks, Aquarium, Mikhail Chekalin, Moskva, etc
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thanks for posts. i'm a Akvarium fan myself (i would recommend their earlier stuff from 1981 though).
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Hello Ablamux.

A Scottish proghead named David McConnell has written an extensive 10 part story about the Russian - and ex-Soviet progressive music in the Dutch progrock paper Background Magazine. So if you are interested, visit www.backgroundmagazine.nl , I hope you enjoy it.

By the way, I love the new Russian band Little Tragedies, great ELP inspired prog with an ethnic flavor.
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

A Scottish proghead named David McConnell has written an extensive 10 part story about the Russian - and ex-Soviet progressive music in the Dutch progrock paper Background Magazine. So if you are interested, visit www.backgroundmagazine.nl , I hope you enjoy it.

I didn't understand how to find the story of Soviet prog on mentioned site.

Would you be so kind to give some additional explanations? Thanks in advance.
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The only Russian Progressive Rock music I have heard is HORIZONT's 1985 album "Summer In  Town", which is very good symphonic Prog, played by talented and classically-inspired musicians. It's by no means second-class, and is worth checking out, especially for those who enjoy instrumental Prog.

 
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Hello.

Concerning the story about the Russian - and ex-Soviet story: if you visit the site www.backgroundmagazine.nl , you will find the homepage, then visit 'previous issues' and you will discover the 10 part story. If you want more information about these issues, then mail Background Magazine (info on homepage), OK?

 
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Concerning the story about the Russian - and ex-Soviet story: if you visit the site www.backgroundmagazine.nl , you will find the homepage, then visit 'previous issues' and you will discover the 10 part story. If you want more information about these issues, then mail Background Magazine (info on homepage), OK?

Thank you very much. I hoped this information is available online (to look whether I can add something). Probably I'll prepare and post some information later in this forum.
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As you may notice from Russian bands' list,most of them are metall or jazz/fusion.Some bands are NOT too prog-connected:IMHO,Mechanical Poet is power-metal & Tumulus is folk/pagan ,etc.
There are also some nice bands which aren't mentioned here:NYL(www.realmusic.ru/nyl/),the only Russian neo-prog band I know(where the hell are the others?! );LOST WORLD(www.lostworld.ru),awesome sympho-prog band;and,surely,AUTOGRAPH(avtograf.com.ru),the true Legend of Russian prog/art rock.I have (on one CD) their EP"Avtograf"86(great art/sympho-prog;includes 8-min piece "Requiem to John Lennon") & LP"Kamenny Kray"89(this one is closer to art/neo-prog).The former vocalist Arthur BERKUT now sings in ARIA(www.aria.ru),the most famous & respected Russian heavy-metal legend.Some prog features can be found in ALISA's CD "Chernaya Metka"94,my favourite from them
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Points: 5865 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2006 at 08:25
The main problem for Russian/former Soviet proggers is absense of promoting & producing.There are thousands of people who'd like to buy their CDs & visit their live shows,but the show-business industry is directed to POP in 99%.The only way is Internet & everything connected with it - but let me explain the situation!Most of musicians have no opportunity to buy a new guitar or to make a better recording session(this one considers me too ...I'm still trying to record my stuff by any means,doing all I can!!!).As for WWW - not every progfan has PC at home(for instance,me - I'm writing this "statement" from local @-cafe ...I've no PC),and this stuff surely doesn't make life easier
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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2006 at 09:47
Pre-glaznov, how would the 80's band Gunesh (lead by a Turkmanistani percussionist, apparently Peter gabriel wanted) be viewed here? The Russian label Bohemia seem to have found an archive of Soviet (approved??) prog and jazz rock fusion.
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Looking for Prog Rock references about an old russian prog band I heard many years ago (Mokt, has anyone heard about it?), I found this somewhat old topic and decided to pump some more gas into it.

I know at least 2 1st rate russian prog rock albuns. The 1st one is "Warmth of Earth" of the keyboardist Eduard Artemiev. The 2nd is the homonimous album of the band In Spe (the 2nd album however is terribly ugly, a big disappointment). Both are really nice symphonic albums.

Another russian CD that impressed me was "Dreams of Nekton" from the band Decadence. A fine album.
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The question is, what COULD be?
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