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Because of the dative. The article "der" is declinated like this:

Nominative - der
Genitive - des
Dative - dem
Accusative - den

Specifying a location requires the dative in German, so it is "in dem Himmel" (which sounds clumsy in German and would only be used if there were several heavens and you wanted to specify which one you mean. The stress of the sentence would have to be on the article then, "in dem Himmel", "in this heaven" (actually "dem" is short for "diesem", the dative of "dies", "this" (specification). Also note that "diesem" is only used in combination with nouns which are masculine or neutral; for feminine nouns it would have to be "dieser". In a table it would look like this:

German articles:
                        masculine      feminine       neutral
Nominative        der                  die                das
Genitive            des                  der               des
Dative              dem                 der               dem
Accusative        den                  die               das

with specification:

                       masculine     feminine        neutral
Nominative        dieser             diese            dieses
Genitive            dieses             dieser           dieses
Dative              diesem            dieser           diesem
Accusative        diesen             diese           dieses)

 If there is only one heaven, the "in dem" is further shortened to "im"). Interestingly, if you want to express that you go into heaven (specifying direction and not location), the accusative is used, and it is "in den Himmel" (which cannot be shortened to "in Himmel" the way "in dem Himmel" is shortened to "im Himmel"). If you are confused now: Yes, German grammar IS complicated.


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BaldFriede wrote: Because of the dative. The article "der" is declinated like this: Nominative - der Genitive - des Dative - dem Accusative - den Specifying a location requires the dative in German, so it is "in dem Himmel" (which sounds clumsy in German and would only be used if there were several heavens and you wanted to specify which one you mean. The stress of the sentence would have to be on the article then, "in dem Himmel", "in this heaven" (actually "dem" is short for "diesem", the dative of "dies", "this" (specification). Also note that "diesem" is only used in combination with nouns which are masculine or neutral; for feminine nouns it would have to be "dieser". In a table it would look like this: German articles:                         masculine      feminine       neutral Nominative        der                  die                das Genitive            des                  der               des Dative              dem                 der               dem Accusative        den                  die               das with specification:                        masculine     feminine        neutral Nominative        dieser             diese            dieses Genitive            dieses             dieser           dieses Dative              diesem            dieser           diesem Accusative        diesen             diese           dieses)  If there is only one heaven, the "in dem" is further shortened to "im"). Interestingly, if you want to express that you go into heaven (specifying direction and not location), the accusative is used, and it is "in den Himmel" (which cannot be shortened to "in Himmel" the way "in dem Himmel" is shortened to "im Himmel"). If you are confused now: Yes, German grammar IS complicated.

Thanks for the very thorough response on the matter; I didn't remember that specifying location required the dative. I remember that I was often bewildered by all the rules, and also found it difficult to memorize which article goes with which noun. We were always being tested on it and there was really no underlying pattern to help you; you just had to know that Das went with Wienerschnitzel. (and the fact that there were fast food restaurants called Der Wienerschnitzel didn't help!)

Peter wrote: Joren wrote: "But we're not talking about prog anymore." Not talking about PROG?! Achtung! Raus! Raus! Schnell, schnell! Es ist verboten! Gott im himmel! (No offense, Diddy. I remember some of my German course, but I bet that the above is full of errors....)

I saw that Joren lives in the Netherlands, so he does not speak German but Dutch. Believe me, these two languages maybe look alike but are are very very different.
You should have written: Opletten! Wegwezen! Snel, snel! Het is verboden. O mijn God!

• ELP - Tarkus
• Pink Floyd - DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall, Ummagumma
• Genesis - Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot
• King Crimson - ITCOTCK
• Yes - Fragile, CTTE, Yessongs, TFTO, Relayer, Drama

and many more

 Hawkwind Space Ritual

 Ash Ra Tempel - Same

 Amon Duul - Wolf City

 Ummagumma

Also, Iron Maiden's early album covers, and Opeth's Blackwater Park, Black Sabbath's debut. Also, some black metal albums have nice artwork (not the ones with the corpse painted idiots posing with axes and spears)

 

raggy wrote: Is Roger Dean the ultimate prog artist? I know I was sometimes caught out as a kid, accidentally buying the odd duff LP on the grounds that "any album that looks like this must be good", ( ie Osibissa.) Which cover art  most compliments (or contradicts) its musical contents? Do you lament the passing of the 12" format, when you really got some art for your money? I used to christen each new LP by skinning-up a good 'un on the sleeve whilst listening to it! Try getting your king skins to stay put on a slippy CD cover,...very messy. My faves (off the top of my head) include; "Pentateuch of the Cosmogony", Dave Greenslade.(artwork by Patrick Woodroffe, makes Dean's work on Yessongs look like the the scrawlings of a 2 yr old!) "Relayer." (Roger on top form.) Rameses "Space Hymes", (also Dean. This band is overlooked on these pages. Not really my taste but may appeal to some prog fans leaning towards the Hippy/space thing. Then again, I'm a GonG freak and I'm still not keen. Oddly enough this band named amongst its members a young  Lol Creame and Kevin Godley!!) 12" cover folds out to 24" by 36". "Space Ritual"-Hawkwind, but like the above mentioned cover it folds out to 6 times its size, so you really need the original vinyl. any more suggestions/comments?

I agree that Roger Dean was the master of Prog album artwork but must disagree vehemently with your coment about the OSIBISA (1 S) album that was totally revolutionary and was probably the start of world Music here in the UK.

I love the King Crimson covers that feature the paintings of P. J. Crook, like Happy With What You Have To Be Happy With and The Nightwatch DVD. Her work is outstanding.

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ROGER DEAN!!!  WHOEVER DID IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING!!!