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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 12:32
I download like a madman.  I tried iTunes, but decided I hated it so now it's all illegally done with eMule, or I rip CD's from other people or the radio station stacks.  I don't really care what the RIAA tells me is right or wrong.  I have practically no budget for CDs, although I do ocasionally buy them.  I also buy used LP's because they are cheap, but the record companies dont see a dime of that anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:24
^ and what is YOUR excuse for not using Napster ... I mean, you live in the USA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:34
Almost every band I nowadays listen is a band I found by downloading. Of course I purchase CD's and so on, but some bands' albums are just pretty freakin' difficult to find here in Finland. But always when I have a chance to buy something, I'll do it.

BTW, copy protections suck. >__>


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:37

@ Mike:

 I don't want to pay for it, I don't like .wma files (they are useless to me because i have an ipod), the selection is weak, and I dont want to pay for it.

 

also, I dont want to pay for it.

in other words, i have no excuse, I'm just an evil person.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:41
If i had money and if i lived in a city with many music stores, i'd buy music. But the reality is another. My downloaded music reaches the 193 bands (2229 tracks, counting with winamp).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:44

@GoldenSpiral: What's weak about the selection? And it's ever growing ... I've only been using Napster for 6 days and I've already downloaded more than 4000 songs, 27 Gigabytes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:50
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

@GoldenSpiral: What's weak about the selection? And it's ever growing ... I've only been using Napster for 6 days and I've already downloaded more than 4000 songs, 27 Gigabytes.

 

let me make my excuses!   the real truth is i just dont want to pay for music, so the rest are mostly excuses to cover that (except the .wma thing is true)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:52
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

@GoldenSpiral: What's weak about the selection? And it's ever growing ... I've only been using Napster for 6 days and I've already downloaded more than 4000 songs, 27 Gigabytes.

Sounds like an excellent deal ... and legal too!  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 13:55

Well, if one chooses to download huge quantities of files illegally, because $10/month is too expensive ... I'll say that much: It's not rational. I understand the iPod issue though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 18:20
Well, the iPod doesn't even meet the technical official specification to play MP3, so what do you expect?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 18:29
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Well, if one chooses to download huge quantities of files illegally, because $10/month is too expensive ... I'll say that much: It's not rational. I understand the iPod issue though.

Unlimited downloads for 10$ a month? And the artists actually getting something from the deal?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 18:35
I use soulseek, and then I buy the Cd's and or vinyls if I have the chance; but I believe it is completely honest, at least for me, to dl music, since in my country it is quite hard to find prog stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 18:44
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Well, if one chooses to download huge quantities of files illegally, because $10/month is too expensive ... I'll say that much: It's not rational. I understand the iPod issue though.

Unlimited downloads for 10$ a month? And the artists actually getting something from the deal?

(drools)

The situation for the artist with Napster is relatively similar to that with real CDs. The music industry gets most of the monthly fee. The difference is that not individual sales (downloads) are counted, but playtime of the tracks. playtime statistics are collected my Napster and made available to the music industry, so they can distribute the money ... so playtime relates to album sales.

I like this approach ... and Napster also hosts many independent labels. Essentially you can pick up an instrumen, record some stuff and give it to Napster. If it receives 1% of the total playtime, you'll get 1% of the monthly fees (minus a small provision for Napster).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2005 at 18:54
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Well, the iPod doesn't even meet the technical official specification to play MP3, so what do you expect?


It does, in fact, play mp3.  pretty much everything I have is in mp3 format at 192kbps or higher.  the only stuff in that god awful .m4a format is the stuff i got from iTunes before i decided i hated it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2005 at 06:08

Right and wrong; illegal and legal are not black and white anymore nowadays.

The Napster thing with $10/month might be legal, but the artists doesn't gain much from it.
The Russian sites where you can buy songs for $0,10 or an amount per downloaded kb are legal for Russian law, yet they could be considered illegal for other jurisdictions.

If rationality does not give you guidance anymore, go with your feeling.
If you feel you truly wish to support a certain artist, buy it directly from the artist.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2005 at 06:33
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:


Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Well, the iPod doesn't even meet the technical official specification to play MP3, so what do you expect?
It does, in fact, play mp3.  pretty much everything I have is in mp3 format at 192kbps or higher.  the only stuff in that god awful .m4a format is the stuff i got from iTunes before i decided i hated it.
It will certainly play some MP3s, but will skip playing a VBR encoded one with lots of changes of bitrate (which is the whole point of VBR). On the iPod, I'd imagine you're better off listening to m4a since if I recall correctly that only supports VBR mode, so you don't have to worry about wasting space.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2005 at 07:07

Well... I download a lot of music, however,  prog is the only music I really appreciate, hence, I started buying CDs.. I've got 3 CDs so far.. :))

Really though, when it comes to buying CDs, I become quite cheap, because there are lots of things of which I need to buy in the money and no budget left for CDs and also a recent question I had is if there is a lifespan for CDs ..

Btw, you keep mentioning the quality difference between CDs and MP3, you have to remember however that to 'normal ears' it takes years of listening to music in order to feel the difference between CD quality and 192mp3..

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2005 at 07:08
Originally posted by Under Under wrote:

The Napster thing with $10/month might be legal, but the artists doesn't gain much from it.

The artists don't gain much from CD sales either.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2005 at 08:14

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:


Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Well, the iPod doesn't even meet the technical official specification to play MP3, so what do you expect?
It does, in fact, play mp3.  pretty much everything I have is in mp3 format at 192kbps or higher.  the only stuff in that god awful .m4a format is the stuff i got from iTunes before i decided i hated it.
It will certainly play some MP3s, but will skip playing a VBR encoded one with lots of changes of bitrate (which is the whole point of VBR). On the iPod, I'd imagine you're better off listening to m4a since if I recall correctly that only supports VBR mode, so you don't have to worry about wasting space.

Did some research on the subject....

old iPods did not support VBR, but as of genIII they do support VBR mp3.  i haven't had any problems with playing files.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2005 at 08:19
From what I gathered, only one model of the iPod did it perfectly (I can't remember which one - possibly the mini), and all others have had varying problems from completely useless to just about perfect nearly all the time. I can't be bothered to find the data again though, so I'll just fold for now . Either way, it's more optimised for mp4 than for mp3 (which I'm not saying is a bad thing!)
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