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Poll Question: Are they black prog?
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I don't know any of Unexpect's music - do you have any samples?

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IMO they may have some prog charateristics but for me their far from prog. However why not discuss about them in PA?
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Good band I love dark metal, why are there no System of a Down, cradle of filth and eden bridge in the archives.
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Points: 21618 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 16:55

Originally posted by sularetal sularetal wrote:

IMO they may have some prog charateristics but for me their far from prog. However why not discuss about them in PA?

 Why do you ask a question that you have answered one sentence earlier?
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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2005 at 20:18

not prog, pretty good and technical in some moments

there are several bands  'progger' than them, such as Emperor
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 03:08

Originally posted by james hetfield james hetfield wrote:

Good band I love dark metal, why are there no System of a Down, cradle of filth and eden bridge in the archives.

I don't know Eden Bridge, but SOAD are an easy one to answer;

They have a unique style, but that is not Prog Rock. Their newer material is more "fun" than art, and, most importantly, generic song structures with little or no experimentation in form, rhythm, timbre or harmony

Their sense of melody is refreshingly different - and the quality of vocals is excellent. Everything else is just an original appraoch to metal - not a progressive approach.

 

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

not prog, pretty good and technical in some moments

there are several bands  'progger' than them, such as Emperor

Emporer are inferior (technically, progressively and in general songwriting abilities) in just about every concievable way to Cradle of Filth - there's almost no comparison.
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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 03:19
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

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Another band that draws their influence from Iron maiden

Yeah - Dani's vocals sound just like Bruce's...

And those riffs - just like Iron Maiden's... Dum da da dum da da dum...

I hear it now through a mist of NOT!!!

Yea as you have pointed out Cradle of filth is a band with a vocalist that cant sing and cant make songs....BUT iron maiden is the favourite band for atleast 3 of the members of cradle of filth and COF has covered maiden 7 times...and they sound really awfull each time

Although they would never grasp the complexity of maiden they show quite some influence of them
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 07:31
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

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Another band that draws their influence from Iron maiden

Yeah - Dani's vocals sound just like Bruce's...

And those riffs - just like Iron Maiden's... Dum da da dum da da dum...

I hear it now through a mist of NOT!!!

Yea as you have pointed out Cradle of filth is a band with a vocalist that cant sing and cant make songs....

  1. I didn't point that out - I said the opposite. Please learn to read before replying.
  2. You're saying that's something they have in common with Iron Maiden? I would disagree! I like Iron Maiden.

 

BUT iron maiden is the favourite band for atleast 3 of the members of cradle of filth and COF has covered maiden 7 times...and they sound really awfull each time

  1. Who? Maiden or CoF?
  2. So what if IM are favourite bands? That doesn't mean that the music bears any similarities - or does it? Which CoF song sounds like which IM song?
  3. I haven't heard the covers - they don't appear to be on any of the albums.

Although they would never grasp the complexity of maiden they show quite some influence of them

"Complexity" of Maiden... love it!!!

"Show influence of Maiden" - you're a born comedian!!!

You mean, they have guitars, drums and vocals?

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Points: 2383 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 10:50
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Emporer are inferior (technically, progressively and in general songwriting abilities) in just about every concievable way to Cradle of Filth - there's almost no comparison.


How?

Emperor released one of the greatest (metal) albums of all time as total teenagers - they were under 18 at the time.

So what have Cradle of Filth done? Not even a single good album.
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Points: 2373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 12:34

CoF make some really theatrical music with a very cohesive flow to it. Whether this makes them prog, though, I don't know.

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Points: 22 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 13:07
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

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BUT iron maiden is the favourite band for atleast 3 of the members of cradle of filth and COF has covered maiden 7 times...and they sound really awfull each time

  1. Who? Maiden or CoF?
  2. So what if IM are favourite bands? That doesn't mean that the music bears any similarities - or does it? Which CoF song sounds like which IM song?
  3. I haven't heard the covers - they don't appear to be on any of the albums.

I heard a CoF cover of Hallowed Be Thy Name, can't say what album it came from. It was an interesting experiment IMO, that's a song where keyboards and "theatrical" effects can fit well into. And so do CoF. But I wouldn't compare the cover with the original song, the two genres are too different. But both interpretations at least deserve attention from a skilled audience.

Although they would never grasp the complexity of maiden they show quite some influence of them

"Complexity" of Maiden... love it!!!

Well if I remember well there's a part in 5/8 in The Rhyme Of The Ancient Mariner - that's IM's proggest moment ah ah ah  pretty complex isn't it?!?!

Unless you say that IM's pseudo-waltz 3/4 rhythms (e.g. Blood Brothers) is a contamination of Giuseppe Verdi. Well then IM are just as prog as Dream Theater !!!!  And anyway CoF too have waltzes (Cruelty Brought Thee Orchids "Tongue Unto Tongue..."). Yeah I'd love CoF to cover Verdi's La Donna E' Mobile !!!!

Cmon let's not be far-fetched --- or shall I say silly?!?!

"Show influence of Maiden" - you're a born comedian!!!

Well sometimes CoF have IM's typical chord sequence A- F G A- (or whatever tune). But to name all bands who use (and abuse) that means that 90% of metal bands show influence of Maiden.

What I don't find in CoF's songwriting is IM's typical tune change, up 1 1/2 tone (e.g. from A- to C-) - ever heard Aces High ?!?!

You mean, they have guitars, drums and vocals?

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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 13:53
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:


Emporer are inferior (technically, progressively and in general songwriting abilities) in just about every concievable way to Cradle of Filth - there's almost no comparison.


I can't say I've heard very much Cradle of Filth, but are they really anything like so diverse as Emperor's Prometheus album? There's often a death metal riff, or a bit of NWOBHM sounding stuff, and even one or two jigs on that record, as well as the pseudo symphonic elements that crop up from time to time. I'm not saying CoF don't do that, but I've never heard any evidence of it. Having said that, I'm not sure that I want to either
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2005 at 16:06

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Emporer are inferior (technically, progressively and in general songwriting abilities) in just about every concievable way to Cradle of Filth - there's almost no comparison.


How?

Emperor released one of the greatest (metal) albums of all time as total teenagers - they were under 18 at the time.

So what have Cradle of Filth done? Not even a single good album.

Emperor's debut, whilst impressive in itself, for such young musicians, is not as impressive to my ears as the earliest CoF material (from roughly the same time, if I remember correctly). The structuring and riffing is loose and naive, while CoF were tight and focussed. I'm not even going to comment on "complexities" or time signatures, as those have precious little to do with prog.

To my ears, CoF have yet to release an album that is not good.
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