IS GOD RUINING PROG?

I knew sooner or later you would, but I believe you'll also understand that being attacked by each and every Christian group, Catholivc Church needed a stronger arm, and I mean stronger in the doctrinarial aspect, because until today Opus Dei has caused no violent act. I do believe that they assassinated a lot of persons and even poisoned a few popes (JP I for example)

Still too influenced by The Godfather or even worst by Og Mandino, John Paul I died probably of natural causes, he had a severe heart condition.

It's a use in the Vatican that after a long Papacy (Like John Paul II or Paulus VI) they elect an older and often sick Pope to create a transition between two long terms. That seems like some sick theory!! Bring an old git to replace another old git. This would mean that after such a long rein of JPII , Benedetto 16 is about to have his life terminated - sickness or aggravated OpusDei cholera!! jesss kiddin!!!!

Paulus VI made a lot of changes with the Vatican II (started by a transitional Pope like Saint John XXIII), he allowed to celebrate mass in local languages and allowed to print Bibles Massively.

So they elected an old man as Pope to calm the waters, but they never thought his health condition was so bad.

The rest are only gossips from people who love to invent plots, because it's mysterious and sells more to say that there are murders in the Vatican. There are many novels depicting Vatican as a mega-secured HQ for catholics to take over the world with extreme technology!! I always find such novels rather pleasant stories , but I leave it at that.  But clearly there are some major power struggles in hallways and no doubt that a lot of below the belt hits are dealt - figuratively speaking of course. But that the odd poison gets lost when one cardinal is a little encumbrant however, I do not doubt it!! The run for power in the vatican is similar than in a multi-national firm in many regards!!

Please, now you're going too far!!!!!! I knew I was going all little far with this statement but in terms of blind faith they are just equals , but are certainly not open terrorists, even if they have got an armed branch for actions..

Honestly, I have my doubts towards the Opus Dei, as a matter of facts, our Cardinal is the first Opus Dei Member in the world with such a high position in the Church, and he was involved with Fujimori in the develation of the hostage crisis in the Japanese Embassy.

I'm not against the solution, it was a success (Despite the factthat Fujimori is a criminal for other reasons), the Government must protect us froim terrorists,  hostages were released with only two casualties (One hostage who recieved a bullet when hidding in a closet and a brave liutenant who placed his body in front of a hostage to recieve the bullet) from 200 (according to Israel standarts 25% of lives lost is an acceptable margin), but the place of a priest is not in violent solutions. actually I had forgotten this thing , thanks for giving a missile for further battles!!

It's also wrong that a Cardinal supports a corrupt Government as Fujimori - Montesinos. 

There's no violence in Opus Dei doctrine, yes they can be elitist but that's not a crime against human law (Even when it's a crime against divine law). I believe you underestimate Opus Dei's desires to defend the faith at all costs! they have resorted to murders!! Them and their predecessors have actually killed some currents of thinking in sake of the unity of the church. (Templiers, Cathars  and other discovering other texts that could cast some doubts on the sacred texts).

Templars were fanatics excomunicated for their crimes in Holy Land. Mostly because their faith were opposing the Vaticans - and they were exterminated on bonfires , too! Too quickly they forgot that it was because of them Templars that Christiannity actually regained control of Jerusalem and during that time a lot of "studying" happened and this was maybe the most troubled times for the truth!!

Remember that the christians sacred texts have all been dramatically rewritten , interpreted, incorrectly recopied as well as written only four centuries after the prophet's death (I can only consider him a prophet since he is certainly not my messiah), so those texts are anything but pure!

The Dead Sea Rolls have proved that the Gospels are very accurate, the differences between the ones accepted by the Church and recent discovered roles are minimal, except in the Mary Magdalene and Saint Thomas Gospels that admit that Mary Magdalene wasn't a Prostitute (Neither Jesus Christ wife as  the Da Vinci Code implies ), but she was Jesus favorite and most intelligent apostle. Of course the woman taking care of the prophet's genitals could not have been a whore to the vatican. This is just too far I wish to discuss simply because I lack the interest to delve further. For alll I care Marie-Magdalena could've been another immaculate conception , if the vatican wishes!

The Church didn't accepted this because of the discrimination against women some centuries ago and I agree this is wrong and should be changed, and I'm sure some day will be.

This is why Vatican is always on shaky grounds!!! And they get very defensive about their evanlical texts (remember the catholics authorities took most christians for imbecils with the little angels , devils trills, St Peter at the gates of heaven , apparitions of the Virgins - the most laughable one is the revelation of Fatima in Portugal 40 or 50 yearts ago - they could not come up with any revelatians after the 50 years moratorium) etc....now they must the consequences of disbeliefs

Let me inform you something, because I have studied Canonic Law, the process of admitting a miracle like Fatima is very complex, the church names a Bishop who is called "The Devil's Advocate", normaly is a member of the Sacred Congregation of  Faith", this man tries by all means (As a DA) to prove the Miracle is false.

The actual Pope was the Chief of this Congregation and he is one of the most intelligent and well prepared men in the world, not as charismatic as his predecessor, but highly intelligent.

You got me lost, here (out of lack of interest I assure you)!! I believe even less in miracles than I do in god!

Who can adore Rasputin except an absolutev wacko. The problem is that Rasputin was a religious character and  he was never excommunicated even after his death.

Please Sean, almost inmediately after Rasputin's death by Yussupuv, came the October Revolution, the Czar and his family were assasinated and Russian Orthodox Church was silenced for 61 years.

I'm not sure, but I believe Rasputin was not really an Orthodox monk or maybe  he was excomunicated, not sure though; he was some kind of hermit who claimed to talk in the name of God, but had a lot of women in the nights and drunk as a camel. Yup, Rasputin was an opportunist that intrigued heavily and used the church as a cover for his crazy doings. But he was of religious origins and loathed by a good part of the orthodox church!! But he had access to the Czar and the highest religious circles!

The fact that he was orthodox does not change things one bit because Orthodox and catholic faith are really kinked and should be the closest allies. This did not stop the Serbians orthodox to slain and invade Catholic Croatia!

Things are changing, some Orthodox Cardinals are being allowed to participate in the Conclave (Not sure about the translationof this word), both churchs and probably Lutheran will rejoin very soon. Something that frightens some Christian groups, because without the Lutherans, who started the separation, they will loose a lot of support. I personally would rather see christiannity speak as a whole rather than have them fight against each other. As a matter of fact, I would fear a lot less religions if all three monotheistic religions were not at each other's throats and collaborated intelligently together at mankind's future! The planet would probably be a safer place!!

By the way the Croatian invasion is politic and carries a lot of hate among two different ethnias that comes from hundreed of years ago, don't blame religoion for this. Ethnias????? these guys are more than brothers. Serb and Croats speak the same language but are culturally different. The Croats are catholics and write with latin characters and the Sebs are orthodox and are using cyrillic characters. But to call them different ethnias would be like making them as different as the Finns would be from the Swedes or the Russians>>> there is an an ethnic difference!!!

We agree again, but thanks heaven we are free to believe or disbelieve today, sadly some Governments are taking an Atheist orientation lately instead of remaining neutral !  I beg you pardon, there are religious political parties in power always favoring religion matters even sometimes undoing things the previous government just did!!

That is wrong, The Vatican II concilium clearly stated that our Church priests should avoid to participate in politics, since 1978, the military Catholic Chaplains (Another word I'm not sure about, the translation in Spanish is Capellán) don't hold a military rank, so they should never carry a weapon or accept orders of the military. Theories!!!!!!! But abandonning politics would be suicidal and I do not think that the Vatican or any other religion is suicidal (well Jonestown being the exception that confirms the sectarian rule!)

Well decades of forced Atheism have to create a reaction, that I can't justify, but surely may understand. You calk gay bashing , outlawing abortion justified. If you do not like abortion fine , don't do it!! but do not force your private feelings onto needing women!!

We don't bash gays, we don't admit the mariage of two persons of the same sex, which is different. Actually I do not appreciate gays getting married either!! I think they should have the legal rights to be together and have the advantages that spouses do, but getting married is useless provocation especially wanting to force open the church gates! I favor even less the right for gays to adopt since the kids should shouild have parents of both genres> This is especially for lesbians since I refuse to believe both partner would be infertile!

Well, I'm against most cases of abortion (Rape, therapeutic abortion when the mother's life is in risk and probably is the baby is going to be born with a painful and beyond cure illness) and the law of my country adopts the same position, so it's not a conflict for me. I suppose you meant that those exceptions were correct to carry out the abortion

Not in all South America, for example in Lima lives 50% of Peruvian population, and women are not sexual slaves, probably in the forgotten towns, but this must change, the problem is what change option we must follow. According to the macho and catholic way, women belong barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen and this is expected by many catholic males and is awaited from from Catholics females! I do not think this stereotype is quite history yet , even if it is in regression!

The macho thing is ethnic and cultural, not Catholic, there are a lot of machist rednecks in USA who barely believe in anything, Fair enough , you do not have to be catholic to be macho!! But it helps.....

Sorry my friend, but abortions are 100 time more dangerous and expensive than birth control techniques, a condom costs 50 cents and if you don't have money, they are given for free in some places. I agree but it is the men who do not want to use the condoms and the woman have only one choice then then, abort once thet are pregnant, Believe me most of them could do without being pregnant and wished their partner wore a condom!!

It's in them to stay firm, not all men are savages and animals. Yeah right !!! if the woman  stay firm about condoms, then he loses interest!!!

Recently I took the case of  a young woman who was forced by her husband too have sex without condom using force.

I achieved that the guy was convicted  for rape inside marriage and spent a year in prison befire released on parole, you must know that there's a code between prissoners. the rapists have a real hard time in jail, as the joke says, they can't afford to drop the soap in the showers. Does this mean in this particular case, that the wife would've agreed to sexual relation if he did use a condom???

Sadly human laws protect this fanatics and their right to act in such a way, candidates protect this fanatics because they also vote, police can't do anything against them unless they make a violent act, and then is too late.

How can you blame us? Our hands are tied by human right watchers who created all this protection for fanatics as a side effect of their fight against formal religions.

Actually if someone is a danger to society (terrorist activist integrist etc... ) you will call the authorities to have him arrested , so why not dennounce the intolerant religious person planning against the others who do not share his faith??!!??

You still believe in consiglieris and capos di tuti capi.   Mafia today is more violent and absolutely anti religious, it's even worst that the Italian mob. Ever since man existed and shamans also (using superstition to arrange powers to themselves) , these last ones always managed to form an strange couple with brute force (this meant the bigger brute being the chief or the king)  to create a power tandem.

Don't change the subject, but again as I told you the people that hold the power use anything to save their jobs. Of course , but this is true for religions, too!

I was not changing the subject. I do not really make a big difference between Shamanism and religions since they both address the fear and anguish od superstitious people about the after life> Nobody ever talks od the pre-life. if an after life exists , then there should be a before life! Religions completely avoid the subject where shamanism does address it as reincarnation>

We had a war with Chile and they took part of our territory 120 something years ago, normally there are not problems, but now we have a candidate who is being agressive against Chile just to gain votes from our patriotic feeling. I knew Chile did take away land from Bolivia (this is why Bolivia has no sea access), but I did not know they also fought Peru. And there are major troubles in both Bolivia and Peryu with a Belgian firm Tractebel about carrying minereals through different routes and Bolivians wishing to have go through Peru rather than Chile. Also the electicity in Arequipa is under control of this firm. I am not their lawyers , but theoretically Tractebel is a firm that does care on how they make money. But I know not the odds and ends of this dispute!

explain without being wrongly attributed racism or xenophobia !! Fourty years ago all the moslims coming to Europe did it because of a hope of better life and mainly money!! This is called economic refugees even if they were allowed in because there was a lack of man-power. for the first thirty years , there was no problem and you never saw veiled women (or very rarely) in the streets or at school or even in public feasts!!

Only in the last 10 years have this gotten a problem!! (And just by a stroke of luck when moslim integrism statred really its upswing!!) And this because around 80% of women are forced to wear it (in order to stop male abuse) and the rest of them are forced-fed religious morals!! This is mainly true for the third generation from immigration. What it comes down to really is forced marriages with outsiders (from Morrocco , Turkey, Pakistan etc) so they can come to emigrate to Europe - Slavery if you ask me!! - so religion is  the tool used to control these girls!!

Things change, the anti Muslim atmosphere existing in the world now, the Neo Nazi movements  (Not religious BTW) in all Europe (including skinheads) create a consiousness of  racial  individuality in this people.

Agressive and coward attacks of stupids who blame a whole race for crimoinal  acts of a few, create reactions, Muslims are prouder than ever of their inheritance and make stronger their beliefs as a mechanism of self defence. but if Moslims would actually denounce and turn in the terrorists recruiting in the mosque (and the Immams DO know what goes on), they would give a real strong message that they do care about their new country. By shutting up otr turning a blind eye, they make the wrong decisions and fuel up the fire instead of showing they DO care!!

But sometimes those girls are pushing it to provocation a bit too much by hanging on to the veil because it provokes reactions/irritations to christians!!! So the nastyness is really coming from different religious currents and the only way to have peace for governments or authorities is to simply bans ALL religious signs and have a basic laic morale taught in schools . This is valid for schools but will also be someday for workplaces!!