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Lindsay Lohan
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
Posted: November 29 2005 at 12:07 |
Hu humm ive got a discman AND a mp3 player and i use the same headphones and stuf....but even at 192kbps i had to stop listen to the mp3 player because of the sound quailty being THAT awfulll Sorry if you first have heard how good music can sound it is painful to listen to the crappy sound quailty of a mp3 player. I mean if you are used to listen to mp3 files in 64kbps and then hears 128kbps ones then you would hate to get back to the old ones... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 12:48 |
Ok, then let's make a listening test! I'm willing to bet that you won't hear the difference (on standard headphones). And don't tell me that there's no way to enjoy music without the proper system ... that's the biggest lie (sorry - myth) about hifi. BTW: I know good systems - I've listened to systems that even oliver would approve of. But that doesn't mean that I cannot listen to mp3 anymore - I'm aware of its shortcomings, and I can live with them. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:12 |
There you are again Lindsay Lohan knows what (s)he says!
MP3 and other compressed format is the worst crap ever and a regression in sound quality, like the CD is compared to vynil/tape. MP3 is thin, harsh, flat, bright(in the pejorative way) etc... Here's my tapedeck (Nakamichi 1000): It beats all the digital you want... Edited by oliverstoned |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 19:02 |
^ great ... now tell me how I can use these tape decks on the bus ...
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 03:04 |
In just about every hardware test I've read (and I read loads of hardware tests because I'm a sad techno-nerd), Creative products have the best sound quality - and small wonder, since they've been creating digital music technology since the early 1990s. I still remember buying my first "Sound Blaster" PC card in 1991, when almost no PCs had sound, and being bowled over backwards at having not only real sound, but the ability to record myself playing and manipulate the sound with no quality loss! But I digress... I much prefer the sound of my Discman to any other portable music solution, but Creative mp3 players sound the best of all the solid state ones, IMO. |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 03:20 |
Sound Blaster 16 is the most awesome sound card EVER! |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 04:37 |
I was more impressed with the AWE 32, which had Wavetable synthesis and the ability to process the innovative idea of Soundfonts, stored in memory on the card itself - a fully-fledged sampler on a soundcard! This was brilliant, because it meant I didn't have to splash out £1,000 on a sampler, but I could use Vienna soundfont studio to create my own samples of sounds and incorporate them in mixes, so my budget PC could do most of the things a professional studio could do. Using MIDI, you could sync the sampled waveforms easily and get such a degree of accurracy in the notes that you could write "impossible" music that sounded like it was half being played by humans and half as processed digital music - very fashionable in the early 1990s. I've got recordings somewhere... |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 04:41 |
Ah i have never heard the AWE32 hu humm but i got one pc with a SB16 and that is what MIDI should sound like! Todays soundcards sound awfull when they playback MIDI sequences |
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goose
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 05:38 |
In terms of computer based soundcards, Creative all had the major flaw of not natively supporting 44.1kHz sample rate right up until the very newest one!
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 05:52 |
The newest ones are X-fi and they support 192khz The old ones where the audigy series and they also supported 192khz |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 06:20 |
^ goose is right ... the Audigy cards don't support 44.1khz - they upsample it to 96khz. Which is nota bad thing - most "audiophile" CD players do the same.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 06:22 |
What i was pretty sure those cards had an sampling frequencey from 8 to 192khz...thats atleast what it says on this page anyways |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 06:23 |
^ doesn't matter anyway, because the topic is "what's the best mp3 player for prog". |
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 06:26 |
Well but you got to agree that SB16 is the best soundcard ever |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 06:27 |
^ sure ... in terms of difference to the other soundcards at the time.
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Lindsay Lohan
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 3254 |
Posted: November 30 2005 at 06:40 |
Yes it has a very unique...sound to it...to get back to topic i would recommend a discman that can playback mp3 files...so that you can choose between FULL cd quailty sound and mp3 sound...when i use headphones it is ESPECIALLY important for me to have FULL quality because of all the details in the music gets so intimate...when i listen to my pc speakers i can just as fine listen to MP3 quality at 192kbps as some of the details go pass me anyway then... |
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goose
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 07:01 |
Why use 192 anyway? You could at least go for something intended to be transparent.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 07:49 |
Silence is gold...i prefer silence over MP3!
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 09:22 |
The AWE uses the same Roland MPU401 MIDI processor as the SB16 does, but it was the first soundcard to incorporate the newly acquired EMU 8000 hardware for sound synthesis. The 32, confusingly, referred to the number of simultaneous voices that it could process in hardware. The AWE64 added 32 more, but in software. MIDI playback with an AWE32 is in a new dimension, compared with the SB16, as you can map Soundfonts to the MIDI tables, thus replacing the dodgy MIDI piano sounds with, e.g. a high resolution Steinway.
...but if you're looking for a cheap mp3 player, then the CnMemory A-MP3 MusicBox looks a good option, as you can carry a supply of SD cards around, so that you don't run out of music. It's really cheap, so it probably sounds horrible - but it looks like a good portable solution. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID= 159413
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Jay Klmnop
Forum Newbie Joined: November 24 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 26 |
Posted: December 06 2005 at 03:16 |
Thanks for all the advice. I think I'll wait till we get back to Canada and see what's out there; I might get a cell phone with a player built in. To me, records and digital are the best ways to go--a turntable at home and a music file (MP3) player for on the road. For me, a removeable battery, some kind of card memory system, power to run ear-covering full-size headphones and at least 512meg memory are my main criteria. I think a cell-phone might have all these.
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