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Vulkan
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Topic: who does the best lyrics Posted: December 09 2005 at 01:10 |
I am amazed by the amount of people who say Waters is the best songwriter... how odd, though he is something to have in mind... I would argue that waters on his own would not have been able to write that well and he needed external inspiration (don't you think Animals, if in a way creation of Waters, is an allegory to Orwell's "Animal Farm" and therefore to the Russian Revolution, though of course that same message could be applied to many other real-life historical situations?)... NO doubt Waters was a great writer, on the whole...
Gabriel on the other hand... he shines in many songs through his 6 Genesis albums... but he is incredibly farfetched in others (specially in the Lamb...) and very cold and to-the-chase in some (The Return of the Giant Hogweed, for example, though I think is a GREAT SONG). Yet, he has proven to be an excelent writer with SUPPER'S READY and his great epics.
Peter Hammil, maybe? Too cold?
Jon Anderson? Ian Anderson? Yes and Tull are not THAT recognized by their lyrics (arguable with, for instance, Heart of the Sunrise - Yes, and the album Close to the Edge - Yes)
I'd want to add another writer, who is well known in Argentina and maybe somebody's heard of him... Charly Garcia from La Maquina de Hacer Pajaros...
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Posted: December 08 2005 at 18:44 |
Nuff Said.
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Publius84
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 12:24 |
I see Roger's on the lead
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 12:19 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
Cedric bixler zavala has never written a single lyric at all
So id go for OMAR!
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Actually Cedric writes all of the lyrics for The Mars Volta, and they are seemingly at first "incomprehensible" but they are, in my opinion, the most thought out lyrics ever written. Both De-loused and Frances have disturbing sequences in their lyrics and have you ever visited a translation site or tried to figure them out yourself, it's a magical bit of fun. The images portrayed in every metaphorical line are hard to catch onto by the general prog audience I notice, but for me these lyrics work in a way that no other lyrics do, theey are mystific (I know it's not a word) and I also like Cedric for writing lyrics WITH the music instead of just slopping something down and hoping it fits, an error Gabriel was sometimes prone to (in my opinion). Just listen to the great lines delivered through out De-loused and Frances, most memorable are the choruses. Here are a few:
De-loused:
"Now I'm Lost"
"Exoskeletal Juncrtion at the Railroad Delayed"
"Dress the tapeworm as pets"
"I've defected"
"One day this chalk outline will circle this city"
"You brought me here"
--yeah I know some of them are simple but the way they are delivered is what makes them for me, plus almost all of them have deeper meanings than appears at first.
Frances:
"Who do you trust?"
"I'll never sleep alone"
"L'via...(everything that follows, these verses are ingenious)"
"And when Miranda sang, everyone turned away, used to the noose they obey"
"No there's no light, in the darkest of your furthest reaches"
So Bixler gets it for me...followed very closely by the whimsical Roger Waters.
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 02:44 |
diga.stef wrote:
I shall vote for Others since the lyrics I like most have been written by
DANY FILTH
of Cradle Of Filth.
I don't share most of Dany's views but his dominance of the English language is extraordinary. And there are lots of nice word plays.
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diga.stef
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 02:15 |
I shall vote for Others since the lyrics I like most have been written by
DANY FILTH
of Cradle Of Filth.
I don't share most of Dany's views but his dominance of the English language is extraordinary. And there are lots of nice word plays.
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Stefano
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 17:47 |
When it comes to how they are sang I have to say Gentle Giant. As for meaning probly Peter Gabriel.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 17:24 |
Who cares for the lyrics? If you listen to any kind of music looking for good lyrics at the first, you're in wrong path. Try poetry.
Obviously, a good lyric jus enriches a good song, but the phonetics are the main element. And for the Waters' critics: the form that he uses to express his feelings and ideas about the world can sound very pessimistic, but just for this reason they can't be good? Even a brazilian who barely speaks English like me knows that, for the sake of the art, Ethics and Esthetics are different things, and can't be mixed. So, don't criticize a cynic just because they hurt your escapist / fluoxetinic world.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 16:55 |
I'll go with Steven Kilbey of The Church.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 16:39 |
no votes for Greg Lake so far - come on, nobody appreciate the great literature of Lucky Man?
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RaphaelT
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 16:37 |
Let's vote for Fish - he has all the values of Hammill, Gabriel and Waters combined, everyone should agree with that.
Steve Hogarth has smoother voice (makes me yawn, makes me cry), but he is not worthy to lick Derek's boots!!
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 20:11 |
I chose 'Other' I'm going to have to agree with those of you who went
for the big Scot. Fish is most definitely one of the best lyricists.
"Vodka intimate
An affair with isolation in a blackheath cell
Extinguishing the fires in a private hell
Provoking the heartache to renew the licence
Of a bleeding-heart poet in a fragile capsule
Propping up the walls of the glitter-conscience
Wrapping in the christening shall of a hangover
Baptised in tears from the real
Tears from the real..."
Enough said...
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 15:04 |
Neil Peart and Fish are my two favorites.
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Posted: December 05 2005 at 02:55 |
[QUOTE=Forgotten Son]Fish.
I'm very surprised he wasn't included in this poll to start with.
I also think that Fish belongs to the best lyricists(maybe he's the best).
The 2 Peters are excellent and for different reasons I like the lyrics of Jon Anderson as well.
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Posted: December 04 2005 at 20:39 |
Peart or Waters?...Peart or Waters?
Gonna have to go with Waters.
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Posted: December 04 2005 at 20:13 |
Peart, easy!
For those who seriously voted for Maynard, I refer you to the line of "Shut up shut up shut up
shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me" from Undertow.
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Posted: December 04 2005 at 20:06 |
Peter Gabriel for me
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Mercury
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Posted: December 04 2005 at 19:38 |
Roger Waters, but Peart definetely deserves a place in the poll.
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Posted: December 04 2005 at 19:02 |
Fish, followed by other Animals (= Roger Waters). I also often appreciate lyrics by Neil Peart, Peter Gabriel and Ian Anderson.
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