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    Posted: November 25 2005 at 23:36

I'm thinking of getting a portable music file player and I'm most concerned with two things:

It must be less than an ounce (the ipod shuffle is .78 of an ounce) because I want to shorten my Sony large headphones and attach it right on them so it's a one-piece, no-cords affair with good fitting headphones taht sound good and NEVER come off. I hate earbuds; I haven't found any yet that stay in adn even if thjey did, I'd worry that they wouldn't.

Also, I want to be able to access unusual music, prog mostly, but i'm concerned that some of these with proprietary encoding like Sony and Apple,might make it harder to get to unusual music.

Storage cap isn't important. Nice thing about intelligent music; you don't needmuch of it.I have been listening to only about 9albums for over a year--mostly Gentle Giant. NOt tired of it yet,still figuring it out even.

 

ANy ideas or advice?  Thanks in advance.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2005 at 23:55

There's a lot of mp3 players out there.  Personally, I would avoid the ipod and get something cheaper that does the same thing.  I've seen some portable mp3 players for about $100 that hold 1gb of music, which is a lot of music.  I have an IRiver 256mb mp3 player.  It doesn't hold that much songs..which really depends on the song length and the bit rate which you encode the mp3s.  I like high quality mp3s, so I always encode mine at 192.  Anywho, I refill my mp3 player every couple of weeks, so I always have something new to listen to.  If you get an mp3 player that's a gig or more, you'll be set for at least a month or longer. 

Are you looking to download your mp3s, or make your own?

If you're going to download, there's a lot of sites you can get mp3s from, besides itunes, which is kind of a rip off..99 cents a song :/  I downloaded from www.allofmp3.com and got like 10 albums for about 10 dollars.  The mp3s range from about 5 cents - 25 cents an mp3..I guess it depends on the length of the song.  It's cheper if you get a 128 bit rate versus a 192 bit rate.  You can also get up to 320, which is basically cd quality.  The only downside to www.allofmp3.com is that you have to prepay at least 10 dollars to start downloading.  Also, they have a pretty good selection of prog there.  I downloaded a PFM album, locanda delle fate, and a bunch of camel albums.  So yeah, check em out.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2005 at 00:09
i would get a Creative Muvo.
They come in 128mb, 512mb or 1 GB. abot $120 for the 1GB one
its small and good sound.
I do not know much about where to download since most of the music I buy is on CD or
"illegaly" downloaded

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2005 at 13:14
I've got an Olympus "M-Robe". It's a bit smaller than the ipod. It comes 5 Gb has a touch panel and a red coloured screen. Awfully quiet though but easy to use and I can satisfy my prog-doses anytime. The battery should last for 18 hours. Usually have to reload after every 5 days. I prefer the ipod though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2005 at 14:14
I have an Alba 512mb mp3 player that holds up to about 80 songs with an average length of between 6-8 minutes, dont know the bit rates on most of them so it could change depending on that
Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2005 at 19:33

I have a 20GB Creative Zen on which I have over 4500 prog songs.

It sounds fine to me (I auditioned many including IPod but this sounds better) and although audiophiles will be disgusted,I find it the perfect solution to Prog On The Move!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2005 at 19:47

I have the smallest mp3 player:

with a 256MB SD card which has room for 3 albums in my favorite encoding (mp3 VBR 64bbps-192vbps).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 00:42

Wow. Thanks for all the info.

I'll add one thing: It must have a removeable battery, preferrably AA or AAA since I already have tons of very high mah rechargeables for this. I don't care how long they last; it's easy to change and keep an extra one.

I'm thinking of going really cheap the first time since i'ts impossible to make the best choice first time, and buying the Creative Nomad Mu Vo with no screen and 128mg. It's only 24 bucks new at Amazon.

I like the look of that Panasonic above. I'd guess it has a built-in battery right?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 00:55
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I have a 20GB Creative Zen on which I have over 4500 prog songs.

It sounds fine to me (I auditioned many including IPod but this sounds better) and although audiophiles will be disgusted,I find it the perfect solution to Prog On The Move!

I have a 60GB Zen (about 2/3 full), and did a lot of research before I made a purchase. And the general consensus I got was that it had the best sound of all the mp3 player's on the market.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 02:31
Originally posted by Jay Klmnop Jay Klmnop wrote:

Wow. Thanks for all the info.

I'll add one thing: It must have a removeable battery, preferrably AA or AAA since I already have tons of very high mah rechargeables for this. I don't care how long they last; it's easy to change and keep an extra one.

I'm thinking of going really cheap the first time since i'ts impossible to make the best choice first time, and buying the Creative Nomad Mu Vo with no screen and 128mg. It's only 24 bucks new at Amazon.

I like the look of that Panasonic above. I'd guess it has a built-in battery right?

Yes, a built in battery which lasts approx. 10 hours. It also came with a case which protects the player against water and has room for one standard battery, which adds another 40 hours.

I don't know if they still make this player though - I bought it 3 years ago!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 02:32
Originally posted by Jay Klmnop Jay Klmnop wrote:

Storage cap isn't important. Nice thing about intelligent music; you don't needmuch of it.I have been listening to only about 9albums for over a year--mostly Gentle Giant. NOt tired of it yet,still figuring it out even.

I can only agree with that. On my 256MB card there's room for three albums - and each morning I can change the songs in no time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 08:33
Digital is crap and MP3 is even worst! throw it into the garbage can!

Get a walkamn or a discman, that's all i can advice you.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 08:52
Digital is not crap ... but I agree that mp3 doesn't sound perfect. But what does it matter on a mobile player with mobile headphones?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 09:37
The matter is that you loose all the music, emotion and eventually pleasure...
But of course it's convenient, like CD.
But it's a too heavy price to pay.
I prefer to have only one album in good quality in my portable player, than 100 in low quality...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 09:42

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

The matter is that you loose all the music, emotion and eventually pleasure...
But of course it's convenient, like CD.
But it's a too heavy price to pay.
I prefer to have only one album in good quality in my portable player, than 100 in low quality...

 Here we go again ... digital vs. analog.

IMO the quality of mobile headphones (even good ones) and the surrounding noises limits the audio quality in such a way that it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to tell whether the source is an analog cassette or a 192kbps mp3.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 09:51

There you are again, with you measures and bandwidth!

That would be too simple, my little friend!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 09:55
...Moreover, a headphone like a "Sennheiser hd600" (a little big i admit) can be used on a portable player and is good enough to heard differences between this or this source!
I don't know smaller headphones models to tell.
What is sure is that a good walkman smokes any MP3 player as a source.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 10:06

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


There you are again, with you measures and bandwidth!

That would be too simple, my little friend!

Why do you French people always come across so arrogant?

BTW: My mobile player is MOBILE. It is small, and my headphones are small:

Before we continue this any further ... remember that one can enjoy music on crappy, medium or hifi systems.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 10:43
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Before we continue this any further ... remember that one can enjoy music on crappy, medium or hifi systems.



that's true, as long as you only know a crappy, medium or hifi system. But you don't know what you miss.
And sorry, i didn't want to be arrogant.
Just that it makes me laugh that you think like a computer...You have a processor instead of the brain!
Do you feel emotions?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2005 at 10:51
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

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Before we continue this any further ... remember that one can enjoy music on crappy, medium or hifi systems.



that's true, as long as you only know a crappy, medium or hifi system. But you don't know what you miss.
And sorry, i didn't want to be arrogant.
Just that it makes me laugh that you think like a computer...You have a processor instead of the brain!
Do you feel emotions?

That's exactly my point. Even 100 years ago with REALLY crappy radios people enjoyed listening to the MUSIC. The emotions are in the music, not in the technology.

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