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Rust 
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 Posted: November 26 2005 at 01:47 |
 lunaticviolist wrote:
I'd be surprised if a prog group got inducted after Tull won a grammy over Metallica. |
In the immortal words of Micheal Jackson, " All I got was just one stinkin' grammy"
Immagine how happy a prog group would be if they recieved one, just one stinkin' grammy that they worked 100 times harder for than someone like Micheal Jackson.
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We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
from the heart
Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
Mental self defensive fitness
Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
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Topographic Oce
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 06:06 |
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Bec ause Prog is still seen by the so called movers and shakers in nthe
music industry as Pretentious Crap.Just remember the comments when Punk
arrived about getting rid of 25 minutes tracks and drum solo' etc.
Whilst millions of us still love Prog both old and new our views will
never be reflected in the mainstream because apart from a few short
summers in the 1970's Prog never has been and probably never will be
cool.
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 06:28 |
isn`t it weird how what isn`t cool is cool for not trying to be cool ? ... Mainstream music tries so hard to be cool they come off looking like dorks in the end think back to so many Radio "cool" songs and how pathetic they seem today. 
Edited by s1ipp3ry
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Alagithil
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 09:26 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
chopper wrote:
Yes should be there, sadly prog is generally overlooked.
PS - one Snow Dog
there's only one Snow Dog
one Snow Dog
there's only one Snow Dog
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Yes...There is only one Snow Dog
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Thank God.
Anyway, I believe Rolling Stone runs the Hall of Fame, so there's any hope for prog dead n' gone. Britney Spears'll be there sooner. Ah, well, the actual Hall is pretty cool if slanted.
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Life is like an avantgarde play because tuna.
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Norbert
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 07:14 |
TheLamb wrote:
Those people that make the "halls of fame" are full of crap! I think they did a 100 greatest guitarists of all time and steve howe wasn't even in there. or he was like 70th place, with kurt cobain 11th or something... cant remember exactly but it was ODD. |
I think you mean a list done by Rolling Stone. It's awful really.
Robert Fripp only 43th
Steve Howe 56th
Dave Gilmour somewhere between 70 and 80
and Kurt Cobain in the top 15
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 07:21 |
Here are the inductees for this year:
Black Sabbath
Lynyrd Skynerd
Sex Pistols (this is a slap in the face of prog, though it comes as no surprise)
Blondie
Miles Davis
Only two bands I think deserve to be inducted out of this list: Miles Davis (even though he's NOWHERE near rock n roll, and Sabbath)
To hell with the Hall of Fame. Ignore it. It will only make you mad.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 07:25 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
isn`t it weird how what isn`t cool is cool for not trying to be cool ? ... Mainstream music tries so hard to be cool they come off looking like dorks in the end think back to so many Radio "cool" songs and how pathetic they seem today. |
That is very true.
If you hear a 'cool' tune from even the early or mid 90's it is no longer 'cool' Most music that stands the test of time and gets re-visited years later, or is revived, re-mixed etc, was seldom ever 'cool'. Unless of course it was good music as well, for other, more 'musical' reasons in the first place.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Norbert
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 07:28 |
stonebeard wrote:
Here are the inductees for this year:
Black Sabbath
Lynyrd Skynerd
Sex Pistols (this is a slap in the face of prog, though it comes as no surprise)
Blondie
Miles Davis
Only two bands I think deserve to be inducted out of this list: Miles Davis (even though he's NOWHERE near rock n roll, and Sabbath)
To hell with the Hall of Fame. Ignore it. It will only make you mad. |
I agree.
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 08:50 |
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is basically an American project - ok, rock 'n' roll was born in the USA but it is since the 60s an international affair. Just like they do with their borders they prefer the natives followed by people they let go in. They look only for their navels - we know that there are thousands of things that Americans proclaim to be 'world' when they're only 'american'.
Aside the clear injustice with prog-rock bands and artists there are also dozens of forgotten musicians all over the world which contributed tremendously to spread rock 'n' roll and many of them sold millions and gave stupendous return to recording companies - the majority of them headquarted in the USA. But they don't or didn't sing in English and aren't known in North America (navel philosophy again) and so let them burn in oblivion. 
In fact we don't need any Hall of Fame but lack of recognition hurts! 
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Trotsky
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 10:35 |
Atkingani wrote:
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is basically an
American project - ok, rock 'n' roll was born in the USA but it is
since the 60s an international affair. Just like they do with their
borders they prefer the natives followed by people they let go in. They
look only for their navels - we know that there are thousands of things
that Americans proclaim to be 'world' when they're only 'american'.
Aside the clear injustice with prog-rock bands and
artists there are also dozens of forgotten
musicians all over the world which contributed tremendously to
spread rock 'n' roll and many of them sold millions and gave stupendous
return to recording companies - the majority of them headquarted in the
USA. But they don't or didn't sing in English and aren't known in North
America (navel philosophy again) and so let them burn in oblivion.
In fact we don't need any Hall of Fame but lack of recognition hurts!
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I wouldn't say the lack of recognition hurts, because actually prog
fans have learnt a long time ago to ignore the charts and airplay, etc
... just as I hope we all don't look to the Oscars for the best movies
or the best-seller lists for the best books ... sometimes it happens
that a deserving artist is recognised, most of the time it doesn't
happen
But I have to admit this one came as a shock ... I had no idea that
bands as successful as Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP, Genesis in particular,
aren't in the rock'n'roll hall of fame ... these guys had #1 albums,
massive tours ... hit singles, fer chrissakes (even if in some cases
after the band had stopped being prog)! ... not hurtful ... but a big
surprise to me!
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Bj-1
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 11:28 |
Isn't Zappa in the rock'n'roll hall of fame?
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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con safo
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 14:12 |
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I agree with blacksword
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Trotsky
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 23:37 |
here you go This Was! 
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 08:53 |
Norbert wrote:
TheLamb wrote:
Those people that make the "halls of fame" are full of crap! I think they did a 100 greatest guitarists of all time and steve howe wasn't even in there. or he was like 70th place, with kurt cobain 11th or something... cant remember exactly but it was ODD. |
I think you mean a list done by Rolling Stone. It's awful really.
Robert Fripp only 43th
Steve Howe 56th
Dave Gilmour somewhere between 70 and 80
and Kurt Cobain in the top 15
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These polls are no more than fun, or something to tell your firends are total crap. Rolling Stone, runs an all time album poll every 5 or so years - spot the variance.
10cc's I'm Not In Love used to be always top of the British public's favourite single poll in the 80's, but it doesn't feature in the top 100 nowadays. So why worry, these things are unreal and made up by unrepresentative committees of too few people and their mates, and usually after a couple rounds down the pub. A recent classic example was the Channel 4 all time album poll - you had to go to a website where ~150 albums were listed (i.e. already picked by committtee because they had a tight schedule to put 2 to 5 minutes of footage together for each of the 100 "selected") and chose from them. However, if they are getting 50,000 + voters, why not take the risk and make the whole thing open to any album?
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ThisWas
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Posted: December 01 2005 at 22:32 |
Trotsky wrote:
here you go This Was! |
were you refering to moi?
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