World Leaders

NutterAlert wrote: Blair Bush Chirac  * 100 =lots of   I'm going way out on a limb here and saying Sharon. Has the old warmonger done a good thing by leaving his party and going on his own to try and broker peace with arabs? Would be nice to think he has...

I agree with you on Chirac!!

Not on Blair and Bush, yet.

Someone actually voted Bush??

Surely that was a joke.. is there any way to see who did it. Maybe a ban??

Just joking

The Doctor wrote: Which band do each of these guys lead?  It'd be so much easier to choose one if I knew which band they were with.

Do you really not know, Doc? ... well, it can't affect your voting cos how much can you admire someone if you don't which country he's leading?

The Doctor wrote: Trotsky wrote: The Doctor wrote: Which band do each of these guys lead?  It'd be so much easier to choose one if I knew which band they were with. Do you really not know, Doc? ... well, it can't affect your voting cos how much can you admire someone if you don't which country he's leading? Oh this isn't a music question?    Oops I'm in the wrong section for music polls.  So who are these guys then? Didn't Tony Blair once have a singing career with the Beatles as his backing band?

No he played guitar for Roger Tayler

Andrea Cortese wrote: NutterAlert wrote: Blair Bush Chirac  * 100 =lots of   I'm going way out on a limb here and saying Sharon. Has the old warmonger done a good thing by leaving his party and going on his own to try and broker peace with arabs? Would be nice to think he has...  I agree with you on Chirac!! Not on Blair and Bush, yet.

Typical Britsih view on anti-french feelings.

Yes, Chirac is a crook but the man has flashes of brilliance (he has more of them in his second term than in his firt term as president) although this is all too rare.But the man has balls which is more than Bush or Berlusconi (or Aznar)  did by sucking up to Bush!!

 

In my mind he (chirac) is a lesser evil because every one knows what he is about and no-one trusts him in his own country. This is where Blair (however diminished he is with his own Irak Gate) and Berlusconi (will find out soon once they find the real motives of his decision are discovered) will pay the price for it (I hope).

The Wizard wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: We are doomed We most certainly are!

yes when you look down the list somehow the final option seems quite appropriate......
...actually I am a bit worried that George W is picking up votes......


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Sean Trane wrote: Andrea Cortese wrote: NutterAlert wrote: Blair Bush Chirac  * 100 =lots of   I'm going way out on a limb here and saying Sharon. Has the old warmonger done a good thing by leaving his party and going on his own to try and broker peace with arabs? Would be nice to think he has...  I agree with you on Chirac!! Not on Blair and Bush, yet. Typical Britsih view on anti-french feelings. Yes, Chirac is a crook but the man has flashes of brilliance (he has more of them in his second term than in his firt term as president) although this is all too rare.But the man has balls which is more than Bush or Berlusconi (or Aznar)  did by sucking up to Bush!!   In my mind he (chirac) is a lesser evil because every one knows what he is about and no-one trusts him in his own country. This is where Blair (however diminished he is with his own Irak Gate) and Berlusconi (will find out soon once they find the real motives of his decision are discovered) will pay the price for it (I hope).

Hello Hughes,

In Italy all the most important journalists (the greatest part of them are against Berlusconi) assured the people that Bush would have lose elections. They were not sure, they were SUPER-SURE (is it correct? I doubt it).

The result was the opposite! And what was the reason their intelligent minds could find out to justify the clear error? Americans are ignorant or, at least, fundemantalists!!

Now, I think the problem is not who are americans (that I respect, without sucking up none of them!), the problem is what kind of journalists we have in our countries! They do not distinguish their political passions from reality! Doing so, they deprive american people of the respect they deserve, not as americans, but as people who are voting democratically the president they think is better in that momen for their country!! they also deprive us of journalism!!!

This is one of the best things in the world! The greatest part of it doesn't have this freedom to chose and not to be doomed!

We cannot say our opponent is EVIL only because he's our opponent! we cannot call ignorant or brainwashed the people only because they vote Bush or Berlusconi!

This is something I have to fight for!!

I admit I have exaggerated with Chirac...that's because italian is naturally (and friendly!!) rival of frech!!

I disagree with the french government who seems to be always against USA...this is their grandeur?

See you soon!

Andrea

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The Doctor wrote: Trotsky wrote: The Doctor wrote: Which band do each of these guys lead?  It'd be so much easier to choose one if I knew which band they were with. Do you really not know, Doc? ... well, it can't affect your voting cos how much can you admire someone if you don't which country he's leading? Oh this isn't a music question?    Oops I'm in the wrong section for music polls.  So who are these guys then? Didn't Tony Blair once have a singing career with the Beatles as his backing band?

Actually no, Tony Blair went to the same school as Mr.Bean (Rowan Atkinson)...

Dont blame his stupidity

fm0210 wrote: >We cannot say our opponent is EVIL only because he's our >opponent! we cannot call ignorant or brainwashed the >people only because they vote Bush or Berlusconi! We can. 1) USA won't have petroleum in 10 years, that's the only reason why they invaded Irak. 2) USA didn't sign Kyoto agreement, the result is this weather change which can be irreversible if we don't stop pollution soon. 3) USA fight to condemn: lack of human rights, of justice, make countries be disarmed... and at the same time fight to have some immunity, to not comply it. 4) There are less rights and freedom for USA citiziens, since Bush make people have fear, and the answer against what we 'fear' is violence. Besides, how can America be a democracy having harassment, misinformation, lack of judicial rights and torture inside their own country? 5) Disobedience on International agreements, attacking United Nations' politic architecture, break conventions of Ginebra, cancelling nuclear agreement that was signed with USSR, putting theirself above of international laws. That sounds like the beginning of IV Reich. 6) Multinational companies and neoliberalism carry unsupportive, individual and selfish ideals. 7) Bush is a marionette, he has pressures to rule his country to an economic interest. 8) Bible has been historically used by dictators, psychos, 'saviors' of humanity. The book is usualy manipulated and misunderstood by them. 9) Since Bush declared war against terrorism, terrorism increased; USA is part of the problem. Etc.

Andrea Cortese wrote: fm0210 wrote: >We cannot say our opponent is EVIL only because he's our >opponent! we cannot call ignorant or brainwashed the >people only because they vote Bush or Berlusconi! We can. 1) USA won't have petroleum in 10 years, that's the only reason why they invaded Irak. 2) USA didn't sign Kyoto agreement, the result is this weather change which can be irreversible if we don't stop pollution soon. 3) USA fight to condemn: lack of human rights, of justice, make countries be disarmed... and at the same time fight to have some immunity, to not comply it. 4) There are less rights and freedom for USA citiziens, since Bush make people have fear, and the answer against what we 'fear' is violence. Besides, how can America be a democracy having harassment, misinformation, lack of judicial rights and torture inside their own country? 5) Disobedience on International agreements, attacking United Nations' politic architecture, break conventions of Ginebra, cancelling nuclear agreement that was signed with USSR, putting theirself above of international laws. That sounds like the beginning of IV Reich. 6) Multinational companies and neoliberalism carry unsupportive, individual and selfish ideals. 7) Bush is a marionette, he has pressures to rule his country to an economic interest. 8) Bible has been historically used by dictators, psychos, 'saviors' of humanity. The book is usualy manipulated and misunderstood by them. 9) Since Bush declared war against terrorism, terrorism increased; USA is part of the problem. Etc.

Geez, somebody needs a hug .

Seriously though, for whatever it's worth, I don't believe it's the USA you should be pointing to as the problem.  I think it's the flaws of government in general, which is a problem we all share.  In the past two elections in our country a total of 112 million people voted for Bush (50M in 2000 and 62M in 2004).  That equals only 49% of the 227 million people who voted in the two elections, and does not account for the roughly 342 million people in the two elections combined who either did not (or could not) vote.  Throw in the 11 million "illegal" aliens living and working inside our borders, and we're left with a president who was put into office with only 21% of the people living here having voted to put him there.  Representative government, my ass!!

But what are the alternatives?  Totalitarianism?  Anarchy?  Communism?  I consider myself to be a rabid student of history, both in my university studies, and in daily life, and I have yet to come across a system of government that works any better.  And since juntas, civil wars, and revolutions are no longer en vogue over here (and dumping tea in harbors doesn't have the same zing it once did), the only viable options the 61 million of us who voted against Bush in 2004 have is to keep trying.  We have made gains in this off-year cycle in local and state elections around the country, and I am confident in 2006 we will see a major shift of power in Congress.  By 2008, we should all be able to celebrate ushering the Bush cartel and his crusading army of self-seving zealots out of power.  I for one can't wait!