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Fantômas 
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 Posted: November 21 2005 at 17:39 |
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Nelson Piquet
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Trotsky
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 20:46 |
 Atkingani wrote:
Many British here shall be surprised but I supported Mansell instead of Piquet. I think both were good drivers but Piquet is a person difficult to swallow. I swear that we Brazilians are not that kind of people. 
The problems between Mansell and Senna were all restricted to the races nothing personal. It's part of the circus. With Piquet the matter escaped the speedway lines and entered the personal lives of his rivals. It's not part of the circus!
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I've certainly read that most of these racers were not nice people, or at least not easy to get along with ... certainly I've heard that about Piquet, Senna, Prost and Schumacher ... as Piquet fan, I'm curious as to what you're referring to, though?
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 21:46 |
Trotsky wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Many British here shall be surprised but I supported Mansell instead of Piquet. I think both were good drivers but Piquet is a person difficult to swallow. I swear that we Brazilians are not that kind of people.
The problems between Mansell and Senna were all restricted to the races nothing personal. It's part of the circus. With Piquet the matter escaped the speedway lines and entered the personal lives of his rivals. It's not part of the circus!
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I've certainly read that most of these racers were not nice people, or at least not easy to get along with ... certainly I've heard that about Piquet, Senna, Prost and Schumacher ... as Piquet fan, I'm curious as to what you're referring to, though?
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Piquet said many awful things spitting his scorn towards his rivals. Some were lost in time but I remember vividly two of them:
1. Piquet said that while he was always escorted by beautiful girls Mansell was always with that 'ugly dragon' (Mansell's wife - and she was not ugly). Mansell answer was very educated saying that his wife helped him when he started racing and he was grateful for it and that he loved her and things like it.
2. Piquet declared publicly that Senna was gay. This happened by the end of the 80s when gay community was suffering a strong repression due to AIDS spreading. Senna never denied or confirmed his gay orientation paying little attention to Piquet's declaration. Senna showed no prejudice and it helped increase his popularity.
As long as my memory goes back these are the examples of Piquet's mind. 
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Trotsky
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 01:59 |
Atkingani wrote:
Trotsky wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Many British here shall be surprised but I supported Mansell instead of Piquet. I think both were good drivers but Piquet is a person difficult to swallow. I swear that we Brazilians are not that kind of people.
The problems between Mansell and Senna were all restricted to the races nothing personal. It's part of the circus. With Piquet the matter escaped the speedway lines and entered the personal lives of his rivals. It's not part of the circus!
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I've certainly read that most of these racers were not nice people, or at least not easy to get along with ... certainly I've heard that about Piquet, Senna, Prost and Schumacher ... as Piquet fan, I'm curious as to what you're referring to, though?
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Piquet said many awful things spitting his scorn towards his rivals. Some were lost in time but I remember vividly two of them:
1. Piquet said that while he was always escorted by beautiful girls Mansell was always with that 'ugly dragon' (Mansell's wife - and she was not ugly). Mansell answer was very educated saying that his wife helped him when he started racing and he was grateful for it and that he loved her and things like it.
2. Piquet declared publicly that Senna was gay. This happened by the end of the 80s when gay community was suffering a strong repression due to AIDS spreading. Senna never denied or confirmed his gay orientation paying little attention to Piquet's declaration. Senna showed no prejudice and it helped increase his popularity.
As long as my memory goes back these are the examples of Piquet's mind.
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Yikes!  Class is not a word that comes to mind ... just goes to show that just cos you like the way someone plays sports (or music for that matter  ) ... doesn't mean that you'll necessarily admire the person that they are.
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"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Fantômas
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 10:35 |
Atkingani wrote:
2. Piquet declared publicly that Senna was
gay. This happened by the end of the 80s when gay community
was suffering a strong repression due to AIDS spreading. Senna never denied or confirmed his gay orientation paying little attention to Piquet's declaration. Senna showed no prejudice and it helped increase his popularity.
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This is not true. First, Piquet said that Senna used to act like a gay
(viadinho, em bom portugues). Senna said "go ask his ex-girlfriend if
I'm gay" (the girl was dating Senna at the time). It was the first time
that Piquet didn't know what to do after he got the answer to one of
his jokes. Piquet is my idol in the F-1. He's totally crazy... 
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 11:51 |
Fantômas wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
2. Piquet declared publicly that Senna was gay. This happened by the end of the 80s when gay community was suffering a strong repression due to AIDS spreading. Senna never denied or confirmed his gay orientation paying little attention to Piquet's declaration. Senna showed no prejudice and it helped increase his popularity.
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This is not true. First, Piquet said that Senna used to act like a gay (viadinho, em bom portugues). Senna said "go ask his ex-girlfriend if I'm gay" (the girl was dating Senna at the time). It was the first time that Piquet didn't know what to do after he got the answer to one of his jokes. Piquet is my idol in the F-1. He's totally crazy...
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Thanks, Fantômas, I did not remember Senna's answer but to be precise he did not deny it personally claiming for a third part to confirm or not his "viadice" (gayism) instead.
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 11:58 |
Oh yeah, but he gave a nice "shut up" to Piquet... 
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 12:50 |
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The only act i can recall of Piquets was when he was tacken out of a GP in the 80s by the Chillian Eleseo Salazar and they had a punch up at the side of the track during the race. This was at Hockenheim in Germany and the cars were aproaching at about 230 Mph (370Kph ish). They were both being stupid but its the only thing Salazar's been rememberd for.
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 13:50 |
sleeper wrote:
The only act i can recall of Piquets was when he was tacken out of a GP in the 80s by the Chillian Eleseo Salazar and they had a punch up at the side of the track during the race. This was at Hockenheim in Germany and the cars were aproaching at about 230 Mph (370Kph ish). They were both being stupid but its the only thing Salazar's been rememberd for. |
They were stupid by half since neither took the helmet out!
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 15:48 |
Not exactly F1, but during its 1930s equivalent, there was an Italian driver called Tazio Nuvolari. Those were the days of total German dominance, both in the manufacturers' and drivers' category. Nuvolari was probably the only one who could fight on equal terms with the likes of Bernd Rosemeyer and Rudolf Caracciolla, two amazing drivers in their own right, and he often gave them a run for their money in an underpowered car! He won 64 times in a 30 year career (retired at the age of 60). A true driver's driver and absoultely fearless  .
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Manunkind
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Posted: November 22 2005 at 15:53 |
sleeper wrote:
The only act i can recall of Piquets was when he was tacken out of a GP in the 80s by the Chillian Eleseo Salazar and they had a punch up at the side of the track during the race. This was at Hockenheim in Germany and the cars were aproaching at about 230 Mph (370Kph ish). They were both being stupid but its the only thing Salazar's been rememberd for. |
Eliseo Salazar had quite a fruitful career in the States and in sports car races, as far as I remember.
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NutterAlert
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Posted: November 23 2005 at 04:00 |
I'm reliabley informed that Fangio was the best
I'd have said Craig Breedlove myself.
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Chipiron
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Posted: November 23 2005 at 04:18 |
Fernando Alonso.
...Well, I have no idea about F1, but I had to say that.
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sleeper
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Posted: November 23 2005 at 11:50 |
Manunkind wrote:
Not exactly F1, but during its 1930s equivalent, there was an Italian driver called Tazio Nuvolari. Those were the days of total German dominance, both in the manufacturers' and drivers' category. Nuvolari was probably the only one who could fight on equal terms with the likes of Bernd Rosemeyer and Rudolf Caracciolla, two amazing drivers in their own right, and he often gave them a run for their money in an underpowered car! He won 64 times in a 30 year career (retired at the age of 60). A true driver's driver and absoultely fearless. |
I would have included the likes of Nuvolari, Rosemeyer,Lange and Dick Seamon but that would be a big poll, most people dont know them and I did specify F1. As far as I know Nuvolari was the only one that was capable of draging the Alfa around tracks as fast as a Mercedes or Auto Union, witch were considerably more advanced and faster cars.
BTW Nutter, I'm dont know Breedlove but his name sounds familier, who is he?
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NutterAlert
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Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:16 |
sleeper wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
Not exactly F1, but during its 1930s equivalent, there was an Italian driver called Tazio Nuvolari. Those were the days of total German dominance, both in the manufacturers' and drivers' category. Nuvolari was probably the only one who could fight on equal terms with the likes of Bernd Rosemeyer and Rudolf Caracciolla, two amazing drivers in their own right, and he often gave them a run for their money in an underpowered car! He won 64 times in a 30 year career (retired at the age of 60). A true driver's driver and absoultely fearless. |
I would have included the likes of Nuvolari, Rosemeyer,Lange and Dick Seamon but that would be a big poll, most people dont know them and I did specify F1. As far as I know Nuvolari was the only one that was capable of draging the Alfa around tracks as fast as a Mercedes or Auto Union, witch were considerably more advanced and faster cars.
BTW Nutter, I'm dont know Breedlove but his name sounds familier, who is he?
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Sleeper, He was the holder of Land Speed record for quite a few years, so not a racing driver. He is reputed to have had the fastest 'car' crash of all time when he lost control at over 400mph 
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sleeper
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 14:09 |
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Thanks Nutter, did he survive the crash as thats the fastetst one that I can think of.
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Wolf Spider
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Posted: November 26 2005 at 18:04 |
Shumacher is the best ever
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