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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

I took cannabis and other drugs at university - i dont need them to make music more enjoyable - in my case drugs were a rite of passage - they are NOT essential for musical appreciation   

AFTER hearing some bands i sometimes feel in NEED of medication (prescribed drugs)


Indeed, drugs are like a "test" of sorts. You are in the prime of your life and want to experience something different or don't want to be called a "baby" or "kid" for the rest of your life.

Personally I don't need drugs to feel happy, in fact this is the happiest day of my lifeeee!!!!!!!
I'm not antisocial, I just don't like wasting my breath...
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The only harm marijuana does to your body is the smoke that enters your lungs.  If you smoke via vaporizer which has no harmful effects on the lungs or body then there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with marijuana.  Marijuana oils can be used for fuel to fuel automobiles.  The hemp can be harvested and in most cases is stronger than rope.  It also would cut back rainforest destruction to use marijuana as a paper source.  Marijuana also helps with over 50 different diseases and disorders( mainly types of cancer, glaucoma, and people who suffer from migrane headaches.  Also, recently there was a study done at Berklee in California that shows the use of psyilcybin (magic mushrooms) can stop the onstart of migrane headaches!  There are responsible cannabis users and there are people that do it to be cool.  But, the problem is alchohol.  Just because its legal doesnt mean its not harmful.  There are certain types of club drugs (MDMA) that are still legal.  Alcohol is treated as something that does no harm, when the reality is that it destroys brain cells, promotes violence and can destroy your liver easily.  Parents treat alcohol like its just something that should be accepted, when millions of teens/adults die each year in drunk driving accidents.  How many people have ever died from marijuana.  It is fact that no one has ever died of cannabis overdose.  After all humans created alcohol, God created marijuana and all of the other plants and animals on this natural Earth.
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Points: 1864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:13
Originally posted by Erpland316 Erpland316 wrote:

 It has been shown to be one of the most useful plants on this Earth! 



I believe you're referring to the hemp plant, not marijuana.

And the real reasons for the demonization of marijuana are fairly well known, if you look for them.

Google "DuPont" and "marijuana", and you'll see what I mean...
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Well I am sure all of you are going great place in your lives because you dont smoke marijuana.  It makes you better than the 10 million daily users in the USA alone.  You are the reason why the world is not at peace.  I guess we were never destined to exists on this planet very long.
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Originally posted by stebo32 stebo32 wrote:

But not all stoners are idiots... I'd say, they must be the wisest men on this planet.



Now you've come to a point where I find it hard to believe your statements.(Not that all of them are idiots .... but there's other ways to achieve wisdom, or come closer to it for that matter ... intelligence being the most important one)
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The hemp plant is the male marijuana plant, it produces no smokable buds and has little or no THC.
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I dont remember william shakespeare being an idiot?  He was a daily cannabis user
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Weed isnt something i need to enjoy music... But music certainly helps me enjoy weed!
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Originally posted by stebo32 stebo32 wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by stebo32 stebo32 wrote:

Progtologist. why did you quit? and why did your point of view on it change?

I quit when my first child was born.

I don't hate it,it's just not for me anymore.I was constantly stoned for over a decade and it just got old.I was so tired of being high that when I quit,being straight and clear-headed felt awesome.

yea, maybe you didnt consume it wisely...smokin weed everyday... after a while you dont have a reason to keep going, cause well. you are always stoned. But there are people who use nature's plants (like shamans) who make great use of them. like a peyote meeting per month, to learn things and think about the meaning of life. It is just a tool to access parts of life that we cannot access sober. (weed is not really that kinda drug though). but i respect the fact that you quit after your first child... Hek I most likely will do that too... But I will never say "drugs are bad, they do this to you. bla bla bla." when im old. ( I know its not your case but.)

Any drug, legal or otherwise is both good and bad. It depends on who's using it, why and how. Like you rightly say, if you get stoned every day you stop smoking for pleasure, and you begin smoking because...it's what you do, and you cant imagine not doing it. I was mashed daily for around a decade, like TheProgtologist. I quit earlier this year. It had become my crutch. I'd convinced myself I would never sleep properly again if I didn't get stoned. This was of course nonesense.

I'll never forget hearing 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' on acid for the first time. I felt I was listening to something of such profound significance; something so timeless and 'deep' that it put me on a high for days after. If I tried a trip now I think any deep rooted anxieites I may be harbouring below the surface would come screaming to the foreground and I'd end up a dribbling wreck. Now please excuse me while I put the kettle on...

Where's my slippers?....
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Originally posted by Erpland316 Erpland316 wrote:

Well I am sure all of you are going great place in your lives because you dont smoke marijuana.  It makes you better than the 10 million daily users in the USA alone.  You are the reason why the world is not at peace.  I guess we were never destined to exists on this planet very long.



Oh man, it's not the fact that a large amount of people doesn't smoke marijuana that keeps us away from peace. Totally invalid statement here.
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Heroin is derived from the poppy - does that make it okay ? There ARE some knowledgeable,careful cannabis users in 'erpland' (just love the Ozrics!!) but there are others who do progress onto less 'friendly' drugs.

There is NO music that is enhanced by drugs. End of story.
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Heroin is derived from the poppy - does that make it okay ? There ARE some knowledgeable,careful cannabis users in 'erpland' (just love the Ozrics!!) but there are others who do progress onto less 'friendly' drugs.

There is NO music that is enhanced by drugs. End of story.

Comparing heroin to marijuana .......................................
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Is ProgRock enhanced by Marijuana ?

No.

Interesting thread.Next.
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Is ProgRock enhanced by Marijuana ?

No.

Interesting thread.Next.


Agreed.
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Is ProgRock enhanced by Marijuana ?

No.

Interesting thread.Next.


Thanks, Moderator.
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Points: 2530 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:31
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:


Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Is ProgRock enhanced by Marijuana ?

No.

Interesting thread.Next.


Thanks, Moderator.



No probs glad you empathise

Edited by horza
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Heroin is derived from the poppy - does that make it okay ? There ARE some knowledgeable,careful cannabis users in 'erpland' (just love the Ozrics!!) but there are others who do progress onto less 'friendly' drugs.

There is NO music that is enhanced by drugs. End of story.

Pardon me, but most of the electronic music has much to do with drugs. I don't think there has been a drugs-free rave. Moreover, I don't think there has been a drugs-free rock gig if you consider alcohol a drug, and I certainly do since it affects your state of mind.
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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:


Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Is ProgRock enhanced by Marijuana ?

No.

Interesting thread.Next.


Thanks, Moderator.



No probs glad you empathise


[SARCASM] Oh, yes, most definitely! [/SARCASM]


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Originally posted by Dan Yaron Dan Yaron wrote:

Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Heroin is derived from the poppy - does that make it okay ? There ARE some knowledgeable,careful cannabis users in 'erpland' (just love the Ozrics!!) but there are others who do progress onto less 'friendly' drugs. There is NO music that is enhanced by drugs. End of story.


Pardon me, but most of the electronic music has much to do with drugs. I don't think there has been a drugs-free rave. Moreover, I don't think there has been a drugs-free rock gig if you consider alcohol a drug, and I certainly do since it affects your state of mind.






Raves drug of choice is Ecstacy. Leah Betts died taking that drug once.I'm pretty sure music is NOT enhanced by alcohol/drugs/nicotine etc etc. I knew this thread was a dodgy one to express an opinion. I love music and dont consider myself at a disadvantage because I either

(a) haven't drunk alcohol    or

(b) haven't had a toke

Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:


Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:


Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Is ProgRock enhanced by Marijuana ?

No.

Interesting thread.Next.


Thanks, Moderator.



No probs glad you empathise


[SARCASM] Oh, yes, most definitely! [/SARCASM]






Your comment 'Thanks,Moderator' was sarcasm

My reply was an attempt at a humorous reply
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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